The Moonshiner's Leghorns

[KF0002]

Oh I do know that alot of people who show white birds keep them out if the sun for that reason. That same bleaching can show up in other colors as well. Turns blue into a dull brownish brassy look and on lavender it shows up as a brassy look as well.

Yes and chocolate is the worst color that is affected by sun bleaching. If you show chocolates, or any color for that matter I guess, you have to keep them indoors. lol

 

[KF0002]

I have a lot on my plate chicken wise now, but it would be an interesting experiment to see if I could produce some Golden Duckwing Leghorns from the diluted F1 Crele project birds. I could take a diluted pullet ideally and mate her to a Brown Leghorn rooster to produce some non-crele, but hopefully heterozygous diluted (golden duckwing) pullets from the cross. Then I could mate her back to a Brown Leghorn rooster to get a Golden DW male hopefully and then mate the Golden male back to his mother. All of this is strictly theoretical of course and may not even work out like I am thinking.

 

[NagemTX]

I've the one silver Ameraucana that doesn't bleach and had a few silver Phoenix that didn't either. They stayed that nice silver white even when out every day in the sun.

 

[KF0002]

I've the one silver Ameraucana that doesn't bleach and had a few silver Phoenix that didn't either. They stayed that nice silver white even when out every day in the sun.

That is an amazing trait to lock down in a line. Especially in lines intended for show. It would make keeping them in good feather condition a whole lot easier. I imagine the lighter the bird, the harder it is to keep them well-conditioned.

Circling back to the topic though about the Goldens, mating the heterozygous golden son back to his heterozygous golden mother would produce some homozygous golden birds. The thing that is curious to me is that my Golden Crele looking Legbar males still have a red shoulder. So whatever diluter(s) they have does not eliminate autosomal red. So they must be different from the diluters found in clean silver birds.

 

[KF0002]

I would love to ask nicalandia about these different diluters and which dilute autosomal red versus which don't. That would help me nail down which diluter is in my Legbars. I have noticed that the original Cream Legbars I had from GFF had no red tones and looked like the traditonal cream color. When I brought in the recessive White Legbars from another breeder, that is where the Golden Crele blood came from. The recessive whites were Golden Crele underneath. But eventually they all intermingled, and my old original Cream birds got old and died off, and I selected more toward the Golden Crele color in the males because I liked it better. So I can only assume that the original Cream birds had Ig as the diluter to make them the lighter cream color, and who even knows which diluter is in the Golden Creles. Two different lines, two different diluters.

I am hyperfixating on this aren't I? Grrr stop it!

 

[NagemTX]

Maybe! But it's not all bad. I like reading what you're posting about it!

 

[KF0002]

Maybe! But it's not all bad. I like reading what you're posting about it!

Well I'm glad, because sometimes I worry I can be annoying when I hyperfixate. lol

Many apologies to all if I ever am.

 

[KF0002]

Then its not trully Golden but s+/s+ with either recessive cream or dominant dilute Di

@NagemTX I found the thread. So basically Golden Phoenix is like a Cream Legbar in color minus the barring gene.

In the same conversation, nicalandia mentions two lines of CCL being in the U.S. The line with the cream gene (Ig) that are very pale silver looking, and another line that have either additional red enhancers or the absence of a diluter like Ig. My Golden Crele Legbars are from the latter line and must have red enhancers because they definitely have a diluter in them, I just don't know which.

Do you have pictures of a Golden Phoenix male?

 

[NagemTX]

@NagemTX I found the thread. So basically Golden Phoenix is like a Cream Legbar in color minus the barring gene.

In the same conversation, nicalandia mentions two lines of CCL being in the U.S. The line with the cream gene (Ig) that are very pale silver looking, and another line that have either additional red enhancers or the absence of a diluter like Ig. My Golden Crele Legbars are from the latter line and must have red enhancers because they definitely have a diluter in them, I just don't know which.

Do you have pictures of a Golden Phoenix male?

Sure, he's my main rooster in the main flock.

I can only say that they are for the Cackle line of golden Phoenix. And a hatchery would want a true breeding line of golden over what others would call golden. From what I gather normal golden is just normal bbr over silver duckwing and you get a mixed bag.

One of the roosters I didn't keep. I really wanted to keep this guy more than King but he stared getting an attitude. Kings my best bud.

 

[KF0002]

Sure, he's my main rooster in the main flock.

I can only say that they are for the Cackle line of golden Phoenix. And a hatchery would want a true breeding line of golden over what others would call golden. From what I gather normal golden is just normal bbr over silver duckwing and you get a mixed bag.
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One of the roosters I didn't keep. I really wanted to keep this guy more than King but he stared getting an attitude. Kings my best bud.
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Wow those are gorgeous! I love the golden tones in the hackle and saddle. They are really striking birds.