The Moonshiner's Leghorns

[KF0002]

I trust nicalandia more than them. I got the same thing and it can't be that if they never throw real BBR. Silver/gold doesn't breed true.

Right. If I was getting some silver and some gold crele pullets, I could certainly get my head around the Legbars being silver/gold. They are just layers so it wouldn’t bother me if they were silver/gold or purple and pink polka dotted. But that just doesn’t seem accurate. Oh my head…

 

[The Moonshiner]

Facebook group...

I know Amer mentioned a Facebook genetics group and admittedly I don't know much about Facebook but I looked and only saw one genetics group. Maybe it wasn't the right one but geez it was amateur hour at best. Not very good.
But anyways.....
You're way beyond me on this Legbar stuff. I had legbars when they first came out. At the time my thing was to just stay clear of the Ress line cause I hated the idea of green eggs.
My girls looked pretty much like you legbar/Game cross girl. All mine was virtually identical and they bred true to produce like offspring.
Idk what happened with them later but they seem to be all over the place.
A few thoughts..... when you hear hoofbeats think horse not zebra. Where did or where would of any of this other stuff come from? Silver/gold ya not seeing it and where would the silver come from?
You mentioned the other dilute genes. Idk much about them but where would they have came from and why? I don't which dilute what or when etc. Most all I know about genetics is from personal breeding. I don't read up on the stuff and don't know the technical terms for a lot.
I just don't understand why the first ones seemed to be set in stone with their genetics but now there's all this talk about different genes.
All those lines where the h... did straight crele come from. How/why did they lose the dilute gene?
I watched the opal legbars being created. I.asked about keeping or losing the dilute gene with them. I thought the opals would look better without it but the one breeder was breeding back to legbars so that kept it in and then it was an all out effort to put as many opals on the ground as possible and as fast as possible so the whole cream gene didn't matter at that point.
Just from watching that I thought it was a dominant gene because the offspring didn't start showing a difference until the opal to opal breeding ramped up.
I'm just trying to follow along at this point with this conversation.

 

[NagemTX]

I wonder if it's the same genetics group I'm in on Facebook? Chicken color genetics I think is the name.

Oh it is the same group. Catherine is pretty good if rude as f most the time. She is up there with nicalandia. But she is also the one who said my Phoenix are silver/gold and I know from breeding they are not. Did my tests after nicalandia gave me the info.

 

[KF0002]

I wonder if it's the same genetics group I'm in on Facebook? Chicken color genetics I think is the name.

Yes thats it. My post is on there and I don’t dare argue with them but mentally Im struggling to understand it. They are certainly more knowledgeable than me on genetics so maybe I just can’t see the forest for the trees?

 

[NagemTX]

Yes thats it. My post is on there and I don’t dare argue with them but mentally Im struggling to understand it. They are certainly more knowledgeable than me on genetics so maybe I just can’t see the forest for the trees?

Or just need more test breeding!

 

[The Moonshiner]

Yes thats it.

Oh, now I found it

 

[NagemTX]

Oh they don't have a high thoughts of us here on BYC either. Very condescending if they know you get any info from here.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Oh they don't have a high thoughts of us here on BYC either. Very condescending if they know you get any info from here.

 

[ShrekDawg]

White, BBR and Silver through Cackle. I have seen blue silver duckwing on eBay a few times.

Cool!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!!!

 

[KF0002]

Facebook group...
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I know Amer mentioned a Facebook genetics group and admittedly I don't know much about Facebook but I looked and only saw one genetics group. Maybe it wasn't the right one but geez it was amateur hour at best. Not very good.
But anyways.....
You're way beyond me on this Legbar stuff. I had legbars when they first came out. At the time my thing was to just stay clear of the Ress line cause I hated the idea of green eggs.
My girls looked pretty much like you legbar/Game cross girl. All mine was virtually identical and they bred true to produce like offspring.
Idk what happened with them later but they seem to be all over the place.
A few thoughts..... when you hear hoofbeats think horse not zebra. Where did or where would of any of this other stuff come from? Silver/gold ya not seeing it and where would the silver come from?
You mentioned the other dilute genes. Idk much about them but where would they have came from and why? I don't which dilute what or when etc. Most all I know about genetics is from personal breeding. I don't read up on the stuff and don't know the technical terms for a lot.
I just don't understand why the first ones seemed to be set in stone with their genetics but now there's all this talk about different genes.
All those lines where the h... did straight crele come from. How/why did they lose the dilute gene?
I watched the opal legbars being created. I.asked about keeping or losing the dilute gene with them. I thought the opals would look better without it but the one breeder was breeding back to legbars so that kept it in and then it was an all out effort to put as many opals on the ground as possible and as fast as possible so the whole cream gene didn't matter at that point.
Just from watching that I thought it was a dominant gene because the offspring didn't start showing a difference until the opal to opal breeding ramped up.
I'm just trying to follow along at this point with this conversation.

When I first got Legbars, the only thing I cared about was blue eggs. I purchased hatching eggs from 2 different people, but a couple of years apart, and both said their stock came from GFF. Both lines have always laid blue eggs consistently, never any green. One line was the traditional looking Cream Legbars, and the other line were Recessive White Legbars that cropped up as sports from the breeder's Cream/Crele Legbars. When I bred the whites to the creams, the Golden Crele looking birds were the result. I actually preferred the Golden Crele looking birds. But I briefly worked on breeding the original Cream Legbar line to SOP and even showed a pair one year at the Appalachian Classic, but I lost interest and they ended up basically all just layers.

If at any point someone somehow infused silver and/or mahogany into them, it was before they got to me so I don't know. I am very careful with marking birds and have never crossed a Legbar on anything silver. I had spoken to Amer about it and she thought it might be possible there were other diluter genes at play in my Legbars other than Ig since Ig is autosomal recessive and doesn't show up with just one copy. I will still be able to use the F1 Legbar/Leghorn project birds for the Crele Leghorn project, even if by some chance they do have silver. I will just keep breeding back the Crele project birds to Brown Leghorn until I am satisfied all the extra genes are bred out, like the crests, blue eggs, etc. It won't be difficult; it will just take several generations to accomplish.