The Moonshiner's Leghorns

[The Moonshiner]

Hey girl been a while. You can talk about OEGBs here. After all those are just mini leghorns right?
Lemon blues I'm not too up on. I think @KF0002 is probably correct on what they should be and if you're looking for any correct pattern you usually don't have to look no further then OEGBs. They come in more varieties then anything.
I never thought much about the lemon part because when I had modern games I had Brown Reds. I talked to a couple modern game breeders and Cochin Bantam breeders about lemon Blues. They all said to get a lemon blue and cross to my brown Reds because the only difference was the blue gene.
That doesn't exactly sound correct now so I imagine a lot of people aren't doing them correct.
I would agree some of yours are too solid to be lemon Blues or pure birchen based. Maybe they're split with extended black or just extended black based. Idk but I'm interested to see what you get also. I like the splash hens in your pic. The white is so crisp and clean it almost looks like dominant white instead of Splash.
I'm sure @Amer would know quite a bit maybe she'll come along and give an opinion.

 

[Amer]

Hey girl been a while. You can talk about OEGBs here. After all those are just mini leghorns right?
Lemon blues I'm not too up on. I think @KF0002 is probably correct on what they should be and if you're looking for any correct pattern you usually don't have to look no further then OEGBs. They come in more varieties then anything.
I never thought much about the lemon part because when I had modern games I had Brown Reds. I talked to a couple modern game breeders and Cochin Bantam breeders about lemon Blues. They all said to get a lemon blue and cross to my brown Reds because the only difference was the blue gene.
That doesn't exactly sound correct now so I imagine a lot of people aren't doing them correct.
I would agree some of yours are too solid to be lemon Blues or pure birchen based. Maybe they're split with extended black or just extended black based. Idk but I'm interested to see what you get also. I like the splash hens in your pic. The white is so crisp and clean it almost looks like dominant white instead of Splash.
I'm sure @Amer would know quite a bit maybe she'll come along and give an opinion.

Lemon blue is a weird word for it but yeah, the only difference is the blue based.
I guess I'll take a look.

 

[Amer]

I love them, I just don't really understand the MASSIVE color variation within "lemon blue" as a color. Some look splash, some look lavender, and some blue with gold hackles (my personal favorite). How? Why? TELL ME. Yes, Moony, I'm putting it here in your thread about not OEGBs.View attachment 4146862View attachment 4146863View attachment 4146864

I'm with Moony here I think they might be heterozygous for Extended Black.

Lemon Blues are birchen (ER) with the Cb (lemon) gene and a copy of blue. Mate two lemon blues together and you get lemon splash. But your birds look to probably have a split extended black and birchen base. Some look too solid colored to be pure for ER. @The Moonshiner or @Amer can correct me if I am wrong.

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In spite of the name Lemon Blues don't have Cb, it's one of those baffling fancy terms. Just like in Blue Quail d'Anvers, the gold is slightly diluted by the blue (even though it's often forgotten that blue can dilute gold)

Same. Standard fowl look like fat slobs to me, and I can't abide that.

 

[Amer]

From my research, I have come to the conclusion that my Legbars have Cb in addition to Ig, so that is interesting and could prove very useful. The way I came to this conclusion is because:

1. Cb does not affect chick down color. My F1 Legbar/Leghorn chicks all looked very much like gold duckwings with no disruption in pattern.
2. Ig is recessive and would not show up in a heterozygous state.
3. Cb is dominant and would show up in a heterozygous state.

In addition to using the non-cream looking F1 project birds for the Crele project, I could use the cream looking F1 birds to make an attempt at breeding a line of Golden Leghorns that will breed true, using gold duckwing based birds and Cb as the diluter to create the golden coloration. Yet another project to add to the list of projects.

This is really interesting!
@Pipsnchicks
Champagne Blond lore.

 

[KF0002]

This is really interesting!
@Pipsnchicks
Champagne Blond lore.

I have read and read about Ig, Di, and Cb. Cb and/or Di seem to be what my line of Legbars have. It is very interesting! I have learned a ton just trying to figure this out. lol

 

[KF0002]

I'm with Moony here I think they might be heterozygous for Extended Black.

In spite of the name Lemon Blues don't have Cb, it's one of those baffling fancy terms. Just like in Blue Quail d'Anvers, the gold is slightly diluted by the blue (even though it's often forgotten that blue can dilute gold)

I knew I could count on you to come and set me straight. I used to raise Blue Copper Marans and the blue does dilute the copper color down to a yellow. That seems like a lifetime ago and I had forgotten. Thanks girl!

 

[KF0002]

Oh out 12 silver Ameraucana eggs that made into lockdown 9 hatched. I'm happy with that.

That is a great hatch rate! I can’t wait to see pics!

 

[Amer]

I have read and read about Ig, Di, and Cb. Cb and/or Di seem to be what my line of Legbars have. It is very interesting! I have learned a ton just trying to figure this out. lol

I can never remember which but one dilutes down and the other doesn't. Me and my friend have debated whether they really are different genes.

 

[NagemTX]

That is a great hatch rate! I can’t wait to see pics!

There will be extras in the group. When I moved everyone out of the 2nd pen that the coon broke into there was a hidden nest. I pulled the babies and added them to the Silver Ameraucana. I heard peeping from that pen last night and four more eggs had piped with one half hatched. Moved them to the incubator and three have hatched the other piped one didn't make it. But dam eggs hatching with out a momma on the for over 24hrs.

 

[NagemTX]

I can never remember which but one dilutes down and the other doesn't. Me and my friend have debated whether they really are different genes.

I think it's the cream one. That's how I could tell the golden Phoenix from the silver Phoenix as chicks. This was per nicalandia.