The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

There may be an explanation for my chickens balloon condition. It makes a lot of sense and fits in with what I found during the necropsy. It took me a lot of searching this morning.



It is highly likely this cockerel ruptured his air sacs in his neck. The tear must have been sudden and catastrophic. My feeling is he gorged at the feed pan and there was scuffling and shoving with his flock mates (all cockerels) A full crop may have played a roll.

I found and copied this off the internets. No infringement of copyright is intended by my posting it here. I am sharing it to further education.
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Both the interior and the posterior air sacs expand during inhalation. Air enters the birds via the trachea; half of the inhaled air enters the posterior air sacs, and the other half passes through the lungs and into the interior air sacs. The sacs contract during exhalation, air from the interior air sacs empties directly into the trachea and out the bird’s mouth or nares. The posterior air sacs empty their air into the lung. Air passing through the lungs as the bird exhales is expelled via the trachea. Because fresh air flows through the lung in only one direction, there is no mixing of oxygen-rich air and oxygen-poor, carbon dioxide-rich air as in mammalian lungs. Thus, the partial pressure of oxygen in birds’ lungs is the same as the environment, and so birds have more efficient gas-exchange of both oxygen and carbon dioxide than mammals.
General air sacs function
According to studies done on domestic chickens and turkeys, the function of the air sacs can be summarised as follows:
• Increase pulmonary ventilation and exchange of gases.
• Decrease the specific gravity of the body, thus facilitating flying.
• Regulate body temperature by cooling and warming inspired air.
• Closeness of abdominal air sacs to testes might facilitate spermatogenesis.
• Humidify inspired air.
• Receiving and then delivering a flow of air through the respiratory passages.
• Pneumatize bones facilitating aerial locomotion.
• Thermal regulation of the body in general.



Diagnosis of ruptured air sacs
Because of the presence of the air sacs beneath the skin, an air sac ruptured can be realised as a bulging and swelling of the skin layer. Consequently, and for a better diagnosis, one may push a sterile needle through the skin. If air is present beneath the skin, the swelling will diminish. However, if it is oedema, a fluid can be aspirated through the needle. In most chicks with this problem, the air sac wall will eventually heal and the subcutaneous air will disappear. Nevertheless, many chicks may die.

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I truly think this may have happened with my chicken.
 
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Aoxa - you might try a experiment and make some old-fashioned sour dough (fermented)...  try making a pizza dough from it and see how it effects you.  Many folks that have gluten issues find it's not an issue with the fermented dough. 


I can vouch for that! Sourdough isn't hard to keep going, especially if you tie "feeding" it with something else that you need to do twice a day.
I'm gluten sensitive but can eat sprouted wheat, fermented wheat, and einkorn (ancient wheat).
Sourdough pizza is sooo delicious. :)
 
Aoxa - you might try a experiment and make some old-fashioned sour dough (fermented)...  try making a pizza dough from it and see how it effects you.  Many folks that have gluten issues find it's not an issue with the fermented dough. 


I can vouch for that! Sourdough isn't hard to keep going, especially if you tie "feeding" it with something else that you need to do twice a day.
I'm gluten sensitive but can eat sprouted wheat, fermented wheat, and einkorn (ancient wheat).
Sourdough pizza is sooo delicious. :)
 
Aoxa - you might try a experiment and make some old-fashioned sour dough (fermented)...  try making a pizza dough from it and see how it effects you.  Many folks that have gluten issues find it's not an issue with the fermented dough. 


I can vouch for that! Sourdough isn't hard to keep going, especially if you tie "feeding" it with something else that you need to do twice a day.
I'm gluten sensitive but can eat sprouted wheat, fermented wheat, and einkorn (ancient wheat).
Sourdough pizza is sooo delicious. :)
 
Aoxa - you might try a experiment and make some old-fashioned sour dough (fermented)... try making a pizza dough from it and see how it effects you. Many folks that have gluten issues find it's not an issue with the fermented dough.

(AM I STARTING TO SOUND LIKE A "BROKEN RECORD"?
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That will only work for those w/ very mild gluten issues. It will make the grain more easily digestible, but if you do really have a gluten problem the offensive (to your immune system) protiens are still present and will make themselves known.
 
I LOVE BACON TOO!

I have a source for local raised that doesn't cure using the nitrates/nitrites except with the natural celery powder. I have never tasted bacon that was so "real", and now when I try any other store-bought I can tell such a difference that I can hardly eat it!

I think what you're noticing is the difference in feed in the pasture vs. factory farm...just like chicken, beef, etc. Same old story - if they eat what they, and their meat, is healthier and tastes much better.
I had unprocessed pepperoni from the same farm. It is AMAZING. So good. It doesn't last as long, but how long is it going to last anyway if you have it? ;)

I would LOVE to raise my own pork. However, our property is too small (IMO) for me to feel comfortable doing so. At least I have an awesome local source who pastures her pigs. They are also GMO, Antibiotic and Medication free. Of course little farms do not have the certified organic label, but they are one of those cases where you told me sometimes there is better than organic.
Aoxa - you might try a experiment and make some old-fashioned sour dough (fermented)... try making a pizza dough from it and see how it effects you. Many folks that have gluten issues find it's not an issue with the fermented dough.

(AM I STARTING TO SOUND LIKE A "BROKEN RECORD"?
duc.gif
)

That will only work for those w/ very mild gluten issues. It will make the grain more easily digestible, but if you do really have a gluten problem the offensive (to your immune system) protiens are still present and will make themselves known.
I've been tested for Celiac already - and I do not have it. I eat a lot of GF products though because my MIL has drilled gluten is evil into Susan's brain (and Dylan) so much that we very rarely have gluten in the house. Any gluten I consume is usually eating out - and even then I still ask for GF pasta.

So sourdough may be just right for ME. I would love to try it.
 
Mumsy, that sounds exactly like what it was. My ex and I used to cut up meat on the side for people, from deer to elk to bear. I do remember something coming in with all those bubbles between the fur and flesh. It made me think of bubble wrap and I remember trying to "pop" them, if you will. In our case, it could have happened after the animal was shot (and possibly didn't die immediately) Thankfully, I can honestly say that we didn't do the killing but was appalled at how others did and how the animal must have suffered for a time.

Holy cow, it's hot here in NY. I'm not too proud to say that it's not beneath me to jump in the kiddies pool.

Wanted to add. My ff, the birds just love. BUT, mine isn't really fermented. Each night I fill my pail with feed, water and ACV. By morning, it's swelled to the top and I feed it. The days that I forgot to get it ready, the birds are so disappointed. I feel they are still getting the benefits from the feed and ACV. I'm getting the benefit from feeding less feed and less waste. I also don't worry as much as to the weather. (rain)
 
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Holy cow, it's hot here in NY.  I'm not too proud to say that it's not beneath me to jump in the kiddies pool.

Wanted to add.  My ff, the birds just love.  BUT, mine isn't really fermented.  Each night I fill my pail with feed, water and ACV.  By morning, it's swelled to the top and I feed it.  The days that I forgot to get it ready, the birds are so disappointed.  I feel they are still getting the benefits from the feed and ACV.  I'm getting the benefit from feeding less feed and less waste.  I also don't worry as much as to the weather.  (rain)


Hot here to. All the chickens are panting or in the shade. I keep showing the tots the water but I never catch them drinking. Sneaky little buggers :)

And the tots love the FF here. And fresh veggies. I put them on grass today & u would of thought I was killing them lol hopefully Sunday they are a little more courageous and follow Red into the grassy area :)
 
Mumsy, that sounds exactly like what it was.  My ex and I used to cut up meat on the side for people, from deer to elk to bear.  I do remember something coming in with all those bubbles between the fur and flesh.  It made me think of bubble wrap and I remember trying to "pop" them, if you will.  In our case, it could have happened after the animal was shot (and possibly didn't  die immediately)  Thankfully, I can honestly say that we didn't do the killing but was appalled at how others did and how the animal must have suffered for a time.

Holy cow, it's hot here in NY.  I'm not too proud to say that it's not beneath me to jump in the kiddies pool.

Wanted to add.  My ff, the birds just love.  BUT, mine isn't really fermented.  Each night I fill my pail with feed, water and ACV.  By morning, it's swelled to the top and I feed it.  The days that I forgot to get it ready, the birds are so disappointed.  I feel they are still getting the benefits from the feed and ACV.  I'm getting the benefit from feeding less feed and less waste.  I also don't worry as much as to the weather.  (rain)


How much ACV do u add to how much food? Are u doing this to like layer pellets or to grains?
 

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