The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

Here is the article that talks about mineral absorption from grains/legumes and how fermenting or sprouting helps:

http://www.westonaprice.org/food-fe...7czo3OiJzcHJvdXRzIjtpOjM7czo2OiJzcHJvdXQiO30=

If you take the time to read through the whole article, it states some ways to lower the anti-nutrient content. One of them is "souring" which we refer to as "fermenting".

My point in posting the article is to show that the mineral content of the grains are more bio-available in fermented, soaked, or sprouted gains than in dry-feed feed. The minerals added to typical chicken feeds are needed to make up for this effect. So...if we ferment, soak, or sprout, we're already increasing the minerals available to our birds and may not need to supplement them at as high a level as they do in the pre-mixed feeds.




Some Quotes:

Phytic acid is present in beans, seeds, nuts, grains—especially in the bran or outer hull; phytates are also found in tubers, and trace amounts occur in certain fruits and vegetables like berries and green beans. Up to 80 percent of the phosphorus—a vital mineral for bones and health—present in grains is locked into an unusable form as phytate.4 When a diet including more than small amounts of phytate is consumed, the body will bind calcium to phytic acid and form insoluble phytate complexes. The net result is you lose calcium, and don’t absorb phosphorus. Further, research suggests that we will absorb approximately 20 percent more zinc and 60 percent magnesium from our food when phytate is absent.5


"Seeds and bran are the highest sources of phytates, containing as much as two to five times more phytate than even some varieties of soybeans, which we know are highly indigestible unless fermented for long periods.

High-phytate diets result in mineral deficiencies. In populations where cereal grains provide a major source of calories, rickets and osteoporosis are common.10


The zinc- and iron-blocking effects of phytic acid can be just as serious as the calcium-blocking effects. For example, one study showed that a wheat roll containing 2 mg phytic acid inhibited zinc absorption by 18 percent; 25 mg phytic acid in the roll inhibited zinc absorption by 64 percent; and 250 mg inhibited zinc absorption by 82 percent.12 Nuts have a marked inhibitory action on the absorption of iron due to their phytic acid content.13
 
We free range our chickens and keep full feeders. I love seeing the girls out pecking in the grass. I have to say a lot of free rangers I meet don't feed their chickens. Maybe some scratch here and there no chicken feed though. I feel it's important to remind free rangers that it takes 1 full acre per chicken to get them enough nutrients to be healthy. This means 12 hens need 12 acres to forage for all their dietary needs. Please don't starve your chickens. Perfectly acceptable to let them forage just make sure you make up the difference in some kind of feed.
I don't know about the research you read. But for me, my production birds will eat from the feeders until they are stuffed and then nap all day. But if I feed them only in the evening or not at all, then they are up just before the sun catching the bugs and scratching. My production birds have gotten larger / fatter since I cut back on their feed and increased there free range time. I have at least a dozen free ranging on about 1/2 an acre. Earlier this summer I had just over 50 yo9ung roosters that were free ranging but I did give them food in the evening every day. They reached their advertised small butchering size for frying about 2-3 weeks late. Part of that was DH delaying processing though. And while we did not have a bug issue there were still plenty of bugs even with the boys free ranging. Now that I have the hens free ranging as most of the boys are gone, there are days when my production hens have almost full crops at evening. Those days I don't feed them. But if I was to feed them in the morning, as I used to, being nervous about starving a chicken and all, they would sleep most of the day. I did not just take away their food overnight though, it was a gradual process. It will be a gradual process to start feeding them again when the weather is colder and the bugs gone.

I do understand your desire to offer food all day. After all a hungry chicken won't lay. And some chicken owners do find a slight decrease in egg production when they free range and don't offer food all day. But then some of them also find hidden nests, or it turns out that the hens started to molt.
 
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Quote: Sally and LM..

Mine also are fatter this time of year..with out food..they only free range...I do worry about fat birds and heart issues. My group is not young. Makes me a bit nervous this time of year..with moult..and extra fat.
With my FR group I have two Orpingtons that are under 2..the rest are over 4.
 
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I find this topic interesting: free ranging and managing an appropriate offering of prepared food. I sometimes wonder if I'm overfeeding my 5 girls. I've been letting them free range during the day, when I am home. The amount of free range time will be cut back when I go back to work, so I'll have to make feed adjustments then. I have about 1 acre in grass, an electronet run 1600 s.f., and about 3 more wooded acres surrounding the lawn. They prefer to range the borders of the lawn and just into the woods. Thankfully, they're not venturing far into the woods yet. Currently, I give them FF made from layer crumble in the morning, and if it's gone in the evening, I give them a bit more. Occasionally give them some scratch, table scraps. They are currently eating the equivalent of 2.5 - 3 c of crumble which swells up to a qt. by the time it ferments. I know that it's impossible to give me a concrete answer without seeing the girls and seeing their crops at the end of the day (they're quite full, but not ridiculously so.)
 
I find this topic interesting: free ranging and managing an appropriate offering of prepared food. I sometimes wonder if I'm overfeeding my 5 girls. I've been letting them free range during the day, when I am home. The amount of free range time will be cut back when I go back to work, so I'll have to make feed adjustments then. I have about 1 acre in grass, an electronet run 1600 s.f., and about 3 more wooded acres surrounding the lawn. They prefer to range the borders of the lawn and just into the woods. Thankfully, they're not venturing far into the woods yet. Currently, I give them FF made from layer crumble in the morning, and if it's gone in the evening, I give them a bit more. Occasionally give them some scratch, table scraps. They are currently eating the equivalent of 2.5 - 3 c of crumble which swells up to a qt. by the time it ferments. I know that it's impossible to give me a concrete answer without seeing the girls and seeing their crops at the end of the day (they're quite full, but not ridiculously so.)
OK..

How about an. experiment..I promise your birds will be fine..
Don't feed them in the morning..don't give them scratch at all..save that for the coop when you need it stirred up.(once a week)after this test.
Weigh them before and after this experiment.
feed them your FF at night around 6pm 1/2 cup per bird. let them eat for 10 minutes and dump the remainder in the bucket for the next day.
Try it for a week.

A hungry bird is a healthy bird. They use time to find food and avoid boredom. Active birds are just so much healthier. They use muscles and activities to keep them healthy and strong.
 
Quote: Sally and LM..

Mine also are fatter this time of year..with out food..they only free range...I do worry about fat birds and heart issues. My group is not young. Makes me a bit nervous this time of year..with moult..and extra fat.
With my FR group I have two Orpingtons that are under 2..the rest are over 4.
I wonder sometimes if the slight decrease in free ranged chickens is from their increased weight. I had read somewhere that fat birds lay fewer eggs. I know that being too overweight can mess with a human female's ovulation so it made some sense at the time to me.
Still my birds have a lot more moving around when they don't get fed till the evening time. So maybe the increase in weight is more muscle than fat. Either way my birds grow while they free range and that helped me feel ok with even good with not feeding them as much food.
 
Kassaundra has a wonderful video showing her burlap bag method of sprouting.

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I also wrote an article on sprouting for a SMALL flock that's really easy. I can repost it here if anyone is interested.

I recognize that picture! lol

I am trying something else this year (in addition to my burlap sacs) I have an old wire spring matress innards. I am going to have my husband till a spot and put the matress on the tilled ground and throw some seasonal fodder seed at it (maybe deer fodder or old garden seed kale, radish, turnip etc...) and see what happens.
 

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