The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

Mumsy how old was that boy?
Is his lack of tail normal for a six month old Orpington roo?
All of my heritage RIR cockerels are between seven and eight months old. Their hackles and tails have gone through the five month old molt and are nearly grown in now. I say nearly because HRIR take a full year to mature. They still have feathers coming in.
I don't know anything about Orpingtons.
 
it probably varies a bit region to region, but,
here there is a difference.

Mash is a mix of grains ground up, usually with vitamins, calcium, fish meal etc. It is powdery with some visible grains. You can usually see corn, oats, etc in it. Usually made by feed mills versus big food manufacturers. You feed it wet like oatmeal. You lose less feed to the ground/spilling.

crumbles is a manufactured blend of chicken food, put through a machine that extrudes it, and then it is dried. It is one color consistently usually the color of dry pasta. You can't see any particular ingredient. If you wet it down, it turns to paste.

Ok, that is what I was wondering! I have been buying commercial starter pellets, but have just found a feed mill a couple towns over that will mix me some layer mash minus the calcium so I can feed it to everyone. I started fermenting the crumbles last week, and adding some oatmeal and frozen veggies. They are scarfing it down and not wasting any like they were when I was feeding it dry! So since I am already fermenting, I should be perfectly ok with getting the mash from the local feed mill?
 
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They look great.you are doing an awesome job!!
I just checked the temp in the insulated box and it was 48 and outside temp is 42. It's only been sitting outside for half a day so maybe tomorrow there will be a bigger difference in temps?
If it is sunny it will heat up more, but not by much. it is insulated not only from the cold..from heat too. Try adding hot water to your mix next time to see how the temp holds.

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I raise and show Orpingtons..that is a really nice chicken that represents a buff Orpington. A buff Orpington is all one solid gold color. Males can take 18 months to fully mature and tails and hackle feathers usually come in at 16 weeks when they start to sexually mature.


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So far I've given my chickens kitchen scraps that I think they'll like, and put the rest on the compost pile (which is not very near the coop). But I wonder if it's OK just to have the whole compost pile in the chicken run? I guess I would put things like banana peels (which they don't like - I tried) and flaky onion skins and grapefruit halves, etc. It seems like this might be OK, but I'm a little worried about having a giant pile of rotting food in the middle of their run.

Yesterday I raked up a bunch of leaves and put them in the run so it wouldn't be mud this winter. But the chickens were terrified of it! scary, noisy leaves.
Yes, can someone please explain this? Some people use their run as their compost pile but we have all been warned of the dangers of feeding moldy stuff to our flocks. What is a compost pile but a bunch of decomposing food? Seems contradictory! I don't put anything moldy or to far gone in my run--that goes in the covered composter.

I used leaves after a coop cleanout for mites. Did not want to spend/waste money on shavings I would have to clean out & burn in 10 days. I had the pop door closed most of the day for cleaning so when it opened the first girl--1 of my Sizzles--started to run in, stopped dead and looked around like "Heyyy something's not right!"
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They did get used to them but weren't happy at first with the scary, noisy leaves. But when dumped in a pile in the run, it's a free for all scratching & digging.

Yes, these questions seem silly to me in a lot of ways, but each time I bring this topic up -- we have a landscape maintenance business and haul home several pick-up loads of yard debris every single day -- I get shut down with a story about how the stuff that is brought home wouldn't be fit for the chickens. Of course the chickens have access to whatever falls on the ground inside their area, and climb the trees to get at more, and there are other trees on the property dropping stuff I think the chickens might enjoy scratching around in If someone would be so kind as to rake some up and haul it and dump some of it out in the run ... or maybe the drier stuff could be even be used for bedding in the coop. But I just get arguments and/or condescending/pitying looks or blank stares when I try to discuss it with the Powers That Be.

I'm trying super hard to convert my "team" to the idea of using naturally gathered bedding in the chicken coops. As long as it is healthy. Leaves are falling now, it has hardly been raining here so those leaves are just about dry. Simultaneously, members of my "team" habitually complain about the expense of shavings, so I'm trying to encourage them to get out the rakes and put their SKILLS to use. No ... I couldn't possibly do it all myself. But let's say I could come up with the magic words to inspire a team effort, would I be harming the birds to toss in "whatever" gets swept up into their coop/run/pasture areas?

Just for the sake of irony ... I've been talking about this for AGES, particularly the part about how much the chickens LOVE scratching through the evergreen droppings ... and recently one of the team thought the chicken area looked messy, so raked up a wide path of evergreen droppings and HAULED THEM AWAY to the monster of a compost pile the maintenance debris goes to!

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I'm not sure I feel better after that rant ...
Leslie--these are not silly questions!! For years I tried to impress upon members of my "team" to leave grass clippings on the lawn as it was better for the lawn. I, too, got arguments and/or condescending/pitying looks or blank stares. So I did my research and worked it into the conversations..."I read an article or saw a program about the uses for leaves, yard debris, etc...." After a few years, it FINALLY sunk in!

Expense of Shavings--now there's an argument probably many of us have had. The first time I went out to rake leaves & grass clippings, I got funny looks until I explained that "as much as I hate to rake, I didn't like spending money on shavings when this stuff was FREE!" FREE worked--excess grass clippings & leaves are now mowed into long, windrows or piles to dry then scooped into my wheelbarrow to either store in empty feed bags in the garage or dumped into the run and/or coop.

Chicken area looked messy?? Well, they'll just have to get over that one! Chickens ARE messy!! If someone raked up my pen & hauled away bedding like that, I'd have raked them over the coals and made them bring it back! Raise your chickens as you see fit just as you would your children!!

I'm sorry your having to fight this battle but hope you continue because it's worth it. Not only for the chickens but for you personally as well. I took me a few years to convince the "team" that it's a "team" effort not a dictatorship. Don't get me wrong, I pick my battles but will do battle if I feel strongly about it.

They are beautiful, Chrysolin!! Congrats!!

Well tonight is a test. I may not get any eggs tomorrow for the disruption but will see. I went out and outed "charlotte" from the little coop nesting box and the rooster out t of the little coop roost bar. Closed it up to force them to roost with the newest girls on the roosts to the large coop.

They were still shifting and arguing about who gets which positional squatting rights when I came in... hopefully this breaks Charlotte of nest roosting.
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Everyone pray (that believes in it) or wish me luck in the adjustment if that is your forte,

Thursday is supposed to be decent so hopefully will finish the coop up by weekend. After the first and bills are paid will see what funds I have for more Tar paper to cover outside all the way. Cutting and hinging the pop door tomorrow when neighbor drops off his sawsall. Maybe some trim work too.
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Good Luck BBN with the roosting situation & the coop!!
 
A week ago I hauled 6 - 8 tarps full of leaves over in my chickens run. The leaves stacked as tall as myself. 5ft. The chickens left them alone for many days and now they go through them as if looking for a needle in a haystack. I thought about taking a before pic but didn't and this is today. Just an idea, just throw some grain or something else they like to scratch for in/on the leaves. Maybe that will help.

Seriously, the leaves were going over the fence, they were stacked so tall.
I did put a small pile in and tossed some scraps at the base and then going up in a trail, and it only took them one day to decide it was OK to climb on and scatter the leaves. So now maybe I'll put some more in!

I love the picture of your flock!

Last year when we put up a new fence around the wooded part of the property, the fence guys came out and dropped off the fence posts the day before the job. They were wood. When I looked at the tag on the posts, it was treated. And...yes...with the arsenic containing treatment. (Even though it was supposedly banned in 2004???)

I felt really bad, but I called them and said they would have to reschedule as I did a little research and found that it leaches into the ground. Also checked organic farm standards which do NOT allow new fencing to have treated lumber. (including chromium, arsenic) It has been found to get into the ground around and they even have a standard so that if you have it already (grandfathered) you have to keep your animals a certain distance from those fence posts.

The fence guys took the posts away and suggested a different (creative) alternative that they had gotten approved for an organic chicken farm.

I'm really glad I looked at those tags.
What was the different creative alternative they used? We're going to build a fence around a very large area next spring so we can have a vegetable garden and grow some flowers & trees that we can't now because of deer. My DH wants to use treated wood for the posts (around a vegetable garden?!?) because he says the cedar will rot faster. I'm desperately trying to get him to use something else. I've already convinced him to use metal siding instead of treated planks.

Does setting the posts in concrete prevent them from leaching underground? I was thinking we could do that and then cover the exposed part with those sleeves they have for posts. If it's kept dry, it shouldn't be leaching.

I did have to use some treated wood when I built the chicken coop because some of the sizes only came in treated form around here. I covered all of it up or painted it with about 5 coats of paint, though, so hopefully it will be OK. It won't be getting wet and leaching bad things into the ground.

When I bought my house I removed the rotten deck and replaced it with composite board. Best investment I ever made!! 8 years later and it still looks great. If I could I would of used the composite board for the frame of the hoop coop. Def wouldn't have to worry about rot or mites. I used a few pieces for my raised garden as well. Still holding strong
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I'd love to use composite board as posts for our garden fence, but it's sooo expensive! We just built our house (well, we're still finishing it off on the inside!), and we had some leftover Trex from the deck (we were thrilled when the contractor who did the shell package said he'd use Trex - after giving us the quote we'd already accepted!). I used those leftover planks to build the deck and stairs for the coop:



 
Ok, that is what I was wondering! I have been buying commercial starter pellets, but have just found a feed mill a couple towns over that will mix me some layer mash minus the calcium so I can feed it to everyone. I started fermenting the crumbles last week, and adding some oatmeal and frozen veggies. They are scarfing it down and not wasting any like they were when I was feeding it dry! So since I am already fermenting, I should be perfectly ok with getting the mash from the local feed mill?
You might want to see if you can ask them to either "coarse grind" or just "crack" the grains. It will make it less powdery!

When I was having the mill make mine I asked for coarse and was surprised just how powdery it was! Made me wonder what it would have been like if they did it the regular way. I never did see their "cracked" size as I started mixing my own. But if I do go back to them grinding for me I am going to ask to see if they will "crack" instead. I prefer larger pieces if I can get 'em.

BTW - that's the only processed feed I ever used was from the mill like that. Definitely fresher made right from the seeds. If you feed wet, I think you'll like it! Feeding it dry is another matter. When fed dry, I had lots of loss with them picking through and dumping a huge percentage of it out.
 
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The fence posts they used were a composites PIPE which I believe is normally used for underground piping of water. They had used it several times and got it approved for the organic farm.

I'll try to remember to take a photo of what it looks like when I get home.
 
I have various sized "screens" for my hammermill.
I use a large screen most of the year and just "crack" my grains (basically into two pieces)... then I go down a screen size in the spring for when I have chicks...
It still cracks, but cracks them into a few more pieces... especially the peas, which can be hard to chicks even after fermenting if they are too large.

Cracked should suffice most of the time.
 
Cute coop. that TEX decking will last forever
I have various sized "screens" for my hammermill.
I use a large screen most of the year and just "crack" my grains (basically into two pieces)... then I go down a screen size in the spring for when I have chicks...
It still cracks, but cracks them into a few more pieces... especially the peas, which can be hard to chicks even after fermenting if they are too large.

Cracked should suffice most of the time.
Now I have to go find out what a hammermill is.................you guys always give me more homework
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I am glad I have a small flock and that my food processor suffices
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I did put a small pile in and tossed some scraps at the base and then going up in a trail, and it only took them one day to decide it was OK to climb on and scatter the leaves. So now maybe I'll put some more in!

I love the picture of your flock!

What was the different creative alternative they used? We're going to build a fence around a very large area next spring so we can have a vegetable garden and grow some flowers & trees that we can't now because of deer. My DH wants to use treated wood for the posts (around a vegetable garden?!?) because he says the cedar will rot faster. I'm desperately trying to get him to use something else. I've already convinced him to use metal siding instead of treated planks.

Does setting the posts in concrete prevent them from leaching underground? I was thinking we could do that and then cover the exposed part with those sleeves they have for posts. If it's kept dry, it shouldn't be leaching.

I did have to use some treated wood when I built the chicken coop because some of the sizes only came in treated form around here. I covered all of it up or painted it with about 5 coats of paint, though, so hopefully it will be OK. It won't be getting wet and leaching bad things into the ground.


I'd love to use composite board as posts for our garden fence, but it's sooo expensive! We just built our house (well, we're still finishing it off on the inside!), and we had some leftover Trex from the deck (we were thrilled when the contractor who did the shell package said he'd use Trex - after giving us the quote we'd already accepted!). I used those leftover planks to build the deck and stairs for the coop:




oh, I am seriously in love with your coop. The porch overhang! and it looks rodent tight! I like how you have the chicken ramp coming up through the porch deck. And the color! I don't think I've seen metal siding in that color, did you paint it?
 

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