The NFC B-Day Chat Thread

[CapricornFarm]

We are getting a storm tonight into tomorrow. Our current rain total is 4.91 inches

Wow, worse than us. We are also having more rain.

 

[rjohns39]

No one ever bothered me but i had Coturnix.

My ultimate goal is to stay under everyone's radar. TDA has no jurisdiction over my poultry processing activities, but that doesn't mean they can't find other ways to harass. Every farm selling pasture raised poultry has gotten the full court press once they popped up on Live Green Tennessee or started getting a lot of foot traffic on PickTN.org. A lot of them ended up folding, while others survived. I suspect Purdue is behind it, but there's no evidence to support that theory.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Come and get it!
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Can you mail some to me?

Dewclaws - I remove hind dewclaws when pups are 3 days old also clip the occasional crooked/bent tail at this time. Most field trial beaglers do not remove front dewclaws. Front dewclaws in high activity field dogs can be detrimental as @Blooie has indicated. When removed at 3 days pups rarely even yelp.

I didn’t realize beagles had rear dewclaws. Is it common? I found a thread on some dog forum from someone asking what breed their foster might be cause it had rear dew claws or one rear dew claw or something like that and a lot of people were saying that breed ID based on that alone is useless because any breed can have them even in breeds that are not supposed to have them and there were a lot of people that said they would get rear dewclaws in their litters, some puppies in the litter would have them and others wouldn’t, or some litters, depending on parentage, would not have any pups with it and another litter would. Lots of breeders with many many different breeds on that thread. Aussies, GSDs, rat terriers, rotties, bcs, kelpies, etc. Seems it is pretty common in litters in any breed even though supposedly only a few breeds have them but they usually just removed them at 3 days old with the other dew claws. I can see where the dewclaws would definitely cause issues. Although it seems the rear dewclaws are more useless than the front ones? Seems the rears are the more likely ones to be the hang off the leg type rather than well attached. But there was just a thread on Twitter from my friend with people showing their dogs so I decided to look at their feet and it seemed almost every single one had their front dewclaws. But they also looked like mostly rescues and/or mixes or not well bred, etc., so it seems like most rescues have them and most breeders remove them?

 

[ShrekDawg]

My ultimate goal is to stay under everyone's radar. TDA has no jurisdiction over my poultry processing activities, but that doesn't mean they can't find other ways to harass. Every farm selling pasture raised poultry has gotten the full court press once they popped up on Live Green Tennessee or started getting a lot of foot traffic on PickTN.org. A lot of them ended up folding, while others survived. I suspect Purdue is behind it, but there's no evidence to support that theory.

Wow that is terrible!!

 

[sourland]

@rjohns39, I'm willing to bet that your assumption is correct.

 

[ShrekDawg]

My ultimate goal is to stay under everyone's radar. TDA has no jurisdiction over my poultry processing activities, but that doesn't mean they can't find other ways to harass. Every farm selling pasture raised poultry has gotten the full court press once they popped up on Live Green Tennessee or started getting a lot of foot traffic on PickTN.org. A lot of them ended up folding, while others survived. I suspect Purdue is behind it, but there's no evidence to support that theory.

I’m pretty sure Coturnix are considered livestock or domestics and not wildlife and are therefore legal without a permit. At least that is how it is here in MA and in a lot of states from my reading. The bobwhite quail, chukar, pheasants, etc. are wildlife that you would need a permit for but most places consider coturnix domestic.

 

[rjohns39]

@rjohns39, I'm willing to bet that your assumption is correct.

Ironically enough, most of the best customers for farm raised meat are their employees.

The last farm that pretty much was rolled over was taken down on a technicality... He had already been pressured into using a USDA processor rather than processing on farm. He owned a building in town that his wife makes her living out of and half was empty, so he setup a store front in the other half. It was way more convenient for his customers than driving to the farm and he didn't have the same storage space on farm. Here in TN if you buy from the farm there's no sales tax. So the department of taxation determined that since his store front was not physically on the farm and the deed was in his name rather than the farm name, it was a retail establishment subject to licensing and sales tax. BTW, the farm deed is in his name as well. He didn't have good legal representation and just folded (aka made a deal).

He's is terrified of those folks. I offered to pay him cash, meat and eggs for customer referrals and his only answer was: "I wish I could, but I can't" He sold all his freezers well above market price and gave the buyers the meat that was in them.

I've spent way too much time inside the swamp and it's amazing how manipulative the system is.

 

[rjohns39]

I’m pretty sure Coturnix are considered livestock or domestics and not wildlife and are therefore legal without a permit. At least that is how it is here in MA and in a lot of states from my reading. The bobwhite quail, chukar, pheasants, etc. are wildlife that you would need a permit for but most places consider coturnix domestic.

Here in TN the statute simple uses the word: "Quail" to define who has jurisdiction. I talked to my lawyers about it and they are certain we can when the fight if it comes to it, but do we want the fight?

Ironically, People advertise on their websites, If you want to buy rabbits processed I'll have to sell it to you with a label that says not for human consumption... Or if you buy raw milk from my pet food store, I'll have you sign a statement of understanding that it's not for human consumption. And no one bothers them. Only poultry get's harassed.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Here in TN the statute simple uses the word: "Quail" to define who has jurisdiction. I talked to my lawyers about it and they are certain we can when the fight if it comes to it, but do we want the fight?

Ironically, People advertise on their websites, If you want to buy rabbits processed I'll have to sell it to you with a label that says not for human consumption... Or if you buy raw milk from my pet food store, I'll have you sign a statement of understanding that it's not for human consumption. And no one bothers them. Only poultry get's harassed.

Ah okay. I wasn’t sure. I tried to look it up and I couldn’t really find anything on it but I thought it said you just couldn’t keep native wildlife but idk. The website was confusing and none of the other websites i saw made any sense. Ours lists exactly what animals and species are and are not allowed.

And wow that is really weird.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Gator’s vet sent a card.