The NFC B-Day Chat Thread

[Bamabexchicks]

They may have to get one of those. They were thinking about it on at least one or two sides, the sides she most commonly escapes on. The neighbor with the dog they don’t want to because the neighbor’s dog and their dogs love to run along the fence and play with each other. But they might have to do it on the other sides. And they do have an e collar we gave them (used to be Gator’s) and I think they are going to start putting that on her whenever she is outside in case she escapes again because she does not have a good recall still. Some days she does, some days she doesn’t. And apparently she escaped again tonight when FSIL got home, right in front of her like I warned her she would (I had texted her telling her about Libby’s escape and warning her since she had never jumped it in front of people before), and was gone for like an hour, further than before, but of course came running right back when my parents came over (to help, I wasn’t home and din’t find out till after)! But poor FSIL was out on the marsh looking for her, had sight of her for a while but lost sight of her, hysterically crying of course, out there in the dark, could have gotten seriously hurt. Thankfully didn’t but something definitely needs to be done.



That could be part of it but idk. I used to come over usually 3 times a week but sometimes more but now I usually come over 2 times instead, although this past week has been a lot more, and I used to do tons of individual training with her, trick and obedience and some scent work stuff/find it games, but really haven’t since Frank has been here because it is harder to train with two dogs, so maybe she is bored? Idk. They also used to go on 2, 3 walks a day and now some weeks my walks are the only walks they get. BUT. They go outside and run around and wrestle and play and go all out every time they are outside and wear each other out and when I am there, I am usually there at least 2 hours wearing them out, taking them on their walk, then letting them run and go crazy for half hour, hour, sometimes training too, and then they usually pass out asleep like they have had enough activity but idk. Inside and on a leash Libby is really good, calm, obedient, quiet and not insane and sleeps hard most days and walks on loose leash, yet outside she seems to love to escape. It is weird. She is well fed and loved at home and has plenty of toys and another dog to play with and tire her out. I know sometimes another dog is not enough and before Frank, she used to be crazy and it took forever to tire her out, she was constantly go go go and wanted to go play outside after walks and could walk, train once, twice, sometimes 3 sessions in the time I am there (short sessions of course), play outside, etc. and still want to go. But since Frank she is tired a lot faster. She still wants to play outside after walks but their new game of Frank running and her chasing really wears her out because Frank is like lightning and she can’t keep up. A few rounds of that and she passes out the rest of the afternoon. So I am not entirely sure it’s exercise but idk. Frank has been good for her though. But maybe it is not a matter of exercise but a matter of mental stimulation??? She is a very smart dog and I think could possibly be bored and looking to occupy her mind. I think I may offer to come over a couple extra days to walk her or even just take her some place and train her somewhere new or something for free because I think she might need a little bit more. They are great owners and love the dogs a lot but it is hard because they both work full time. She works from home now but obviously it is still hard to really do a lot with them during the day because it is still work.

Kelsey, I love you dearly, but I absolutely cannot read a book with no paragraphs!

 

[sharron]

Phew for you, but sad that there were fatalities. Sounds like a nasty one.

I got a photo of our little ball of fuzz (with a bald head). The other egg is pipping too. By about a week old we'll start to see where they'll have dark patches.

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Being hand reared the parents love interacting with us so whoever is sitting on the nest when we go in to visit can't resist hopping out to see us for a little while. Except our other hen, Dottie, keeps trying to take over and steal the eggs and chick! I know if I put a nest box in there she and her mate would be in like a shot but we are far too close to moving day! They'll just have to wait.

It sounds like autumn will be warm and dry so they've got a bit of time. Australia has had another heat wave (which resulted in huge bushfires) and that's supposed to be tracking our way next week. It's been lovely and cool at night here with pleasantly warm days. I've had enough of the heat.

raised them for many,many years. usually pulled at two weeks to hand feed, once in awhile would have to feed from day one, that was always a fun time but i managed, loved to hand feed

 

[ShrekDawg]

Kelsey, I love you dearly, but I absolutely cannot read a book with no paragraphs!

Yeah, sorry, got carried away on a tangent and forgot to breathe (add paragraphs)!! Lol

 

[ShrekDawg]

I will try to edit it

 

[N F C]

Kelsey, I love you dearly, but I absolutely cannot read a book with no paragraphs!

x2!

 

[sharron]

Phew for you, but sad that there were fatalities. Sounds like a nasty one.

I got a photo of our little ball of fuzz (with a bald head). The other egg is pipping too. By about a week old we'll start to see where they'll have dark patches.

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Being hand reared the parents love interacting with us so whoever is sitting on the nest when we go in to visit can't resist hopping out to see us for a little while. Except our other hen, Dottie, keeps trying to take over and steal the eggs and chick! I know if I put a nest box in there she and her mate would be in like a shot but we are far too close to moving day! They'll just have to wait.

It sounds like autumn will be warm and dry so they've got a bit of time. Australia has had another heat wave (which resulted in huge bushfires) and that's supposed to be tracking our way next week. It's been lovely and cool at night here with pleasantly warm days. I've had enough of the heat.

forgot to ask, the momma is a white face, the male must be a orange cheek patch?
i noticed the chick is yellow fuzz instead of white fuzz

 

[sourland]

@KDOGG331, Invisible Fence has absolutely no impact on dogs not wearing the collar. It is far different from electric fencing. Do a Google search for more information. There is no way anything but the collared dog gets the warning and potential shock.

 

[ShrekDawg]

@KDOGG331, Invisible Fence has absolutely no impact on dogs not wearing the collar. It is far different from electric fencing. Do a Google search for more information. There is no way anything but the collared dog gets the warning and potential shock.

Sorry, I didn’t word that correctly probably. Did I say electric fence? If so, I did mean the invisible dog fence rather than actual electric fence. And I know it would not shock the neighbor’s dog or other dogs but I think their concern was they did not want her to be shocked for trying to play. But I think they will put it on the bottom of the yard or perhaps raise the fence.

That said, she does not seem to respond to the e collar. She tried it pretty high tonight (panicked when she escaped) and it seemed to have no effect on her. So I am not sure if an invisible fence would work. Although sometimes the collar seems to work and has been helping with recall so maybe the range is screwy?

x2!

I edited it to add paragraphs and fix a few things, like all the run on sentences haha should be better now. Am going to go edit the first one too.

 

[ShrekDawg]

She varies her tactics.

At first she dug out but she came right to the front step. And they knew something was wrong cause Frank came to the back deck pawing at the door and barking like Lassie LOL then the next time they caught her just in time to see her half under the fence and dragged her back in.

Then after that they reinforced the spot where she dug out. Cause oddly it was only one side in one particular spot that she was obsessed with even though there are other lower areas.

Then she jumped out.

Though the fence is a bit weak and they think she kinda just pushed it down. She kinda climbs over then flips her back legs over, looks very uncomfortable. Apparently she escapes the pen at the cabin too so they have seen it. Thankfully she came home that time too.

Then just the other day she escaped on the other side of the yard (cause previously like I mentioned she has only been obsessed with one side in one spot, which btw after she jumped the first time, they put more fencing over that side to make it higher) into the neighbor’s yard. Thankfully their yard is fully fenced and the people watching the neighbor’s house witnessed this and brought her back immediately.

Then today she jumped the low fence at the end of the yard into the marsh and ran around like a mad dog having fun and totally ignoring me. But the odd thing is she did not go far, stayed on the one near the house, and she ended up just pooping on the marsh and running back, even hopping the fence back in on her own. But she did scare me for 5 or 10 mins. And it is bad she didn’t come the first time. But I guess Gator ran into the marsh once (before the fence I think) and took off down the street, well, down the marsh. The marsh is large and Libby could have disappeared but she didn’t. But then of course I couldn’t discipline her/yell at her for coming back because then she would never want to come back again

But I did bring her inside after when she went down there again and looked like she wanted to jump it again. I said don’t you even think about it and brought her inside lol

But they are going to have their hands full I think.

Although it is not entirely her fault. The fence at the bottom of the yard is very low, only about 2 feet, and was just designed to keep them out of the marsh, and it has worked well up until now. She has never challenged it. But it will need updating. As will the other fences. The fences are pretty low, I think only maybe 4 feet, or perhaps even slightly lower in some spots and the shared fence with the neighbor that brought her back is pretty loose/bendy as it has been in like 10 years. So I think it needs tightening and some added security. They want to put a lean in but they do not want to install anything without asking the neighbors and they are not home until Friday.

But they also used to sometimes just let them out by themselves and they were fine. Well now she jumps or digs out when she is unsupervised. So needs to be supervised. She does not jump when supervised. Normally. Today was the first time she has ever jumped a fence with someone outside. I was shocked. But we knew she would figure out how low that fence was one day. I guess today is the day.

I do not think she is looking for me but maybe. I think she thinks the grass is greener on the other side lol also, in the case of the neighbor, the people watching the neighbor’s dog and house are outside a lot playing with the dog when the owner’s normally aren’t except in spring/summer and normally just let her out to potty alone and call her in, and/or they take her with them a lot of places, so Libby is not used to seeing anyone in the yard, except maybe occasionally the neighbors but she knows them and doesn’t make a big deal over it, so seeing these new people in the yard, walking around, playing with the dog, etc., I think it was just super exciting for Libby and she couldn’t resist and hopped over there. But thankfully their yard is very securely fenced and Libby was able to be caught and brought home quickly.

But it is only the last few weeks that this has really started and gotten really bad. But I think she just figured out there is a weakness in the fence and how to exploit it. So they will be making improvements. I think wire on the bottom so she can’t dig out and lean ins on the top so she can’t jump/climb out.

Also at the cabin she apparently doesn’t always escape the pen but one time when FSIL’s parents were up there, she saw her dad walk by/working outside the fence and got super excited and slipped over it, so I think she tends to escape only when tempted. But idk.

But it is weird because she has a brother to play with and some of the stuff I was reading said they were bored or to interact with them or get them a playmate or whatever but Frank is always out with her so why she would want to escape and leave him, idk. But she seems to always feel bad about it and come right back rather than taking off which I suppose is good. But it is definitely scary. But I think she is just in the teenager rebellious phase and has figured out how to exploit weaknesses in the fence and that escaping is fun.

They may have to get one of those. They were thinking about it on at least one or two sides, the sides she most commonly escapes on. The neighbor with the dog they don’t want to because the neighbor’s dog and their dogs love to run along the fence and play with each other. But they might have to do it on the other sides.

And they do have an e collar we gave them (used to be Gator’s) and I think they are going to start putting that on her whenever she is outside in case she escapes again because she does not have a good recall still. Some days she does, some days she doesn’t. Although apparently the collar does not seem to work on her.

And apparently she escaped again tonight when FSIL got home, right in front of her like I warned her she would (I had texted her telling her about Libby’s escape and warning her since she had never jumped it in front of people before), and was gone for like an hour, further than before, but of course came running right back when my parents came over (to help, I wasn’t home and din’t find out till after)! But poor FSIL was out on the marsh looking for her, had sight of her for a while but lost sight of her, hysterically crying of course, out there in the dark, could have gotten seriously hurt. Thankfully didn’t but something definitely needs to be done.



That could be part of it but idk. I used to come over usually 3 times a week but sometimes more but now I usually come over 2 times instead. Although this past week has been a lot more. And I used to do tons of individual training with her, trick and obedience and some scent work stuff/find it games, but really haven’t since Frank has been here because it is harder to train with two dogs, so maybe she is bored? Idk. They also used to go on 2, 3 walks a day and now some weeks my walks are the only walks they get.

BUT.

They go outside and run around and wrestle and play and go all out every time they are outside and wear each other out and when I am there. I am usually there at least 2 hours wearing them out. I take them on their walk, then let them run and go crazy in the yard for half hour, hour, sometimes training too, and then they usually pass out asleep like they have had enough activity but idk.

Inside and on a leash Libby is really good, calm, obedient, quiet and not insane and sleeps hard most days and she walks on loose leash, yet outside she seems to love to escape. It is weird. She is well fed and loved at home and has plenty of toys and another dog to play with and tire her out. I know sometimes another dog is not enough and but she seems to be calmer.

Before Frank, she used to be crazy and it took forever to tire her out. She was constantly go go go and wanted to go play outside after walks and could walk, train once, twice, sometimes 3 sessions in the time I am there (short sessions of course), play outside, etc. and still want to go. But since Frank she is tired a lot faster. She still wants to play outside after walks but their new game of Frank running and her chasing really wears her out because Frank is like lightning and she can’t keep up. A few rounds of that and she passes out the rest of the afternoon. So I am not entirely sure it’s exercise but idk. Frank has been good for her though. But maybe it is not a matter of exercise but a matter of mental stimulation??? She is a very smart dog and I think could possibly be bored and looking to occupy her mind.

I think I may offer to come over a couple extra days to walk her or even just take her some place and train her somewhere new or something for free because I think she might need a little bit more. They are great owners and love the dogs a lot but it is hard because they both work full time. She works from home now but obviously it is still hard to really do a lot with them during the day because it is still work.

Edited both of these to add paragraphs. Hopefully it helps. Probably not really split where paragraphs should be split but at least actually broken up now rather than a big wall of text.

 

[sourland]

Trust me, one shock from the Invisible fence educates all dogs. Neighbors across the street had pitt/Chesapeake retriever cross that was both human and dog aggressive. I had to tell the neighbor that if attacked me or my dog on my property I would have to shoot him. Neighbor took my advice, and Teddy became a very good boy. Of course UPS or the mail lady still would not deliver to them.