The NFC B-Day Chat Thread

<sigh> Okay, I’m probably going to screw this up, but finally heard from the kids, and as usual with kids who have complex medical issues, it’s a mixed bag.

The results of the MRI were the same as they were a couple of months ago. No increase, and in fact it confirmed the slight decrease, in the CSF in her ventricles. So scratch that worry. Yayyy!!

Oxybutin is not the cause of her seizures. Scratch that one....

He explained that in the early stages of her neural tube formation, when the bundle that is the neural plate take it’s assigned places as the spinal cord and the brain, Kendra’s brain didn’t form correctly. Here’s where I’ll get confused in the retelling, I fear. I think I understood that the brain forms from the inside of it to the outside. In Kendra’s case the opposite happened - the outside of her brain formed first, enveloping the inside out of order. This cortical malformation is almost certainly the cause of Kendra’s seizures and delays. She has two small areas of gray scarring, typical in cortical malformation but not large enough to be removed. Most kids with this malformation have seizures that are medication resistant. Kendra falls into this caragory.

There are a few things that can be done for Kendra. One is a medically supervised Keto diet. He said that within only 3 months we’d most likely see an improvement if there was going to be one, although he4 seizures wouldn’t stop completely on the diet. But Kendra is already a very light eater, and with her being in only the 8% percentile for weight given her height, he feared that even supervised the diet may trick her body into thinking she’s suffering from starvation. Scratch that one....not willing to take that risk.

The other is to do surgery to separate the membrane between the two halves of the brain. The doctor did not feel that the risk at this point was worth the uncertain outcome. Yep, scratch that one too.

The third one confuses me a bit, so I need to research it more. It’s called. Vagus Nerve Stimulator. A small half-dollar sized metal plate would be implanted into her chest, with wires wrapping around the Vagus nerves in her neck. The device pulses for 30 seconds, is off for 2 minutes, then repeats. The doctor seemed to be leaning toward this treatment, but the kids aren’t and ultimately it’s their call. Without more research and information, I tend to agree with them but am keeping my opinion to myself unless they ask for validation. He’s giving them all the time in the world to learn more about it, to understand it, and to make their decision. I applaud him for not pressuring them into something. She’d still need medication because it’s a joint therapy, and it could take 2 years to start working. It’s also more effective in people who have an aura and know a seizure is coming. Then either they or the person they tell runs a special magnet over the implant to activate the stimulator and reduce or stop the seizure. Kendra has no warning - she just drops. And she wouldn’t be able to recognize a seizure aura or tell anybody else anyway.

The plan at this point is to wean her off one of her 3 seizure meds, the Kepra, keep her on Onfi and a lower dose of Lamactil, and transition her to Depakote. The hope is that after the transition, which can be a little rough, we will be able to take her off everything except the Depakote. We know from our personal experience, (Katie with her Valproate Acid Syndrome and Kendra with her Spina Bifida), that Depakote is the worst one a woman can take. However, we also know from Jenny’s experience that it has been the only medication that stops her seizures completely. When (or if ever) Kendra would be able to want a family, she should also be mentally capable of discussing that were her personal physician. Realistically we don’t see that she will ever be able to do that, but hope springs eternal.

She also had a prescription for suppositories to stop prolonged seizing. The doctor changed that to a nasal spray. She doesn’t have enough muscle tone around her rectum to keep the suppository in long enough to do its job. He wrote two scripts, one for home and one for the school to have on hand.

We just want her to get through second grade in school at this point. Her developmentally delays and epilepsy, we have just had confirmed, are permanent. She will be able to learn, but she will never be even close to being able to live an independent life, not even in a specialized setting for people with disabilities. That was heartbreaking to hear but we’ll deal with what God gives us, keep working with her, and keep loving her. Knowing this will make every new word, every new activity or every new milestone she gets even more of a miracle.

So now you know what we know. And I’m going to hit my computer for some research! Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers. You are all awesome! ❤️
 
:hugs @Blooie sorry you are dealing with all this. :hugs

It does seem like the VNS would be a good option, though of course, like you said, if she isn’t aware of them then it might not help.

We actually have some family friends who have a very similar story to you guys and what you’re dealing with right now. Their youngest daughter (I’m kind of friends with all of them, the middle daughter was in my grade) has autism and epilepsy and she used to have tons of seizures and would even get grand mal seizures pretty often which of course was terrifying. She also used to have tons of absent spells in her class and one year someone counted and I think it was like hundreds in one day.

Anyway, I’m not sure of the exact order of which one they did first but they switched to a keto diet or at least a very similar one (I think it’s one specifically designed for epilepsy so slightly modified) and she also has a VNS and both have helped tremendously. I think she switched to the keto in maybe middle school or something, the year with all the absent spells, and then she only got the VNS a few years ago or maybe closer to 4 or 5.

But anyway, both have helped hugely. She now hardly has any seizures and even has gone without them for months, I forget the exact length of time, but it was a long time. They’re much rarer now.

I believe she is also still on some medication and I think also maybe some sort of CBD supplement but even just the keto and VNS helped tons.

And you are right, the VNS there is some sort of magnet thing. I think she wears a special bracelet with the magnet in it and so she just puts her wrist/the bracelet over her chest. It does seem to help and she says she has been able to prevent quite a few of them by doing that but sometimes she doesn’t always know when she is going to have one or off so it doesn’t always help but usually it does.

It has really significantly reduced the seizures but the keto has as well and she also says it really helped get rid of the brain fog and make her able to think clearer which was another plus.


Though of course if Kendra barely eats as it is then you are right that it is probably not the best option for her. But here is a link to the modified diet. I think this is the one she is on but not 100% sure. But I’m pretty sure it is.

https://www.massgeneral.org/neurology/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=4482

I know CBD has really helped a lot of people with epilepsy too if that is a road you are willing to go down. They have all sorts of oils and teas and various other products. I believe there is even an actual drug approved by the FDA now but don’t know much about it. But CBD can really help and does not contain any of the “high” components or anything.

Either way, good luck with your decision. I know it is not easy trying to make the right decision or knowing what to do. :hugs

Oh and also, their doctors told them she would never be able to walk or talk and one of the aids/teachers at school in the special education department told her that she wasn’t learning and it was pointless for her to even be in school. I believe they even called her stupid. So they had tons of people, doctors, teachers, everyone, basically just saying to give up and she will never amount to anything. Well, she DOES talk and in fact once she learned to talk she never stopped talking :lau and she graduated high school and she just graduated college in May with an associates degree. And she can also read books ridiculously fast and you don’t even think she read them but then she can answer any question about it. Loves Shakespeare. Pretty sure she’s read all the plays. Some multiple times. Loves to read and they read books all the time and even have a family book club haha and she is super into musicals right now too. She is a happy, healthy young adult. She even gives talks on epilepsy at schools and stuff so she’s somewhat of a public speaker now too and she even made a promotional video about epilepsy with Julian Edelman. This is the girl who supposedly was stupid and could never learn and would never walk and talk. Now a college graduate and public speaker. And I also heard another similar story recently of someone’s brother who they also told would never walk or talk and he just graduated college too. So never give up hope. :hugs she may never be completely normal but that doesn’t mean she is incapable of doing great things. We have all seen just how smart she is. :hugs

Of course I know that it is probably a bit more complicated with the spina bifida and all of her other health conditions but I am sure she can still make way more progress and be way more independent than the doctors say. :hugs
 
<sigh> Okay, I’m probably going to screw this up, but finally heard from the kids, and as usual with kids who have complex medical issues, it’s a mixed bag.

The results of the MRI were the same as they were a couple of months ago. No increase, and in fact it confirmed the slight decrease, in the CSF in her ventricles. So scratch that worry. Yayyy!!

Oxybutin is not the cause of her seizures. Scratch that one....

He explained that in the early stages of her neural tube formation, when the bundle that is the neural plate take it’s assigned places as the spinal cord and the brain, Kendra’s brain didn’t form correctly. Here’s where I’ll get confused in the retelling, I fear. I think I understood that the brain forms from the inside of it to the outside. In Kendra’s case the opposite happened - the outside of her brain formed first, enveloping the inside out of order. This cortical malformation is almost certainly the cause of Kendra’s seizures and delays. She has two small areas of gray scarring, typical in cortical malformation but not large enough to be removed. Most kids with this malformation have seizures that are medication resistant. Kendra falls into this caragory.

There are a few things that can be done for Kendra. One is a medically supervised Keto diet. He said that within only 3 months we’d most likely see an improvement if there was going to be one, although he4 seizures wouldn’t stop completely on the diet. But Kendra is already a very light eater, and with her being in only the 8% percentile for weight given her height, he feared that even supervised the diet may trick her body into thinking she’s suffering from starvation. Scratch that one....not willing to take that risk.

The other is to do surgery to separate the membrane between the two halves of the brain. The doctor did not feel that the risk at this point was worth the uncertain outcome. Yep, scratch that one too.

The third one confuses me a bit, so I need to research it more. It’s called. Vagus Nerve Stimulator. A small half-dollar sized metal plate would be implanted into her chest, with wires wrapping around the Vagus nerves in her neck. The device pulses for 30 seconds, is off for 2 minutes, then repeats. The doctor seemed to be leaning toward this treatment, but the kids aren’t and ultimately it’s their call. Without more research and information, I tend to agree with them but am keeping my opinion to myself unless they ask for validation. He’s giving them all the time in the world to learn more about it, to understand it, and to make their decision. I applaud him for not pressuring them into something. She’d still need medication because it’s a joint therapy, and it could take 2 years to start working. It’s also more effective in people who have an aura and know a seizure is coming. Then either they or the person they tell runs a special magnet over the implant to activate the stimulator and reduce or stop the seizure. Kendra has no warning - she just drops. And she wouldn’t be able to recognize a seizure aura or tell anybody else anyway.

The plan at this point is to wean her off one of her 3 seizure meds, the Kepra, keep her on Onfi and a lower dose of Lamactil, and transition her to Depakote. The hope is that after the transition, which can be a little rough, we will be able to take her off everything except the Depakote. We know from our personal experience, (Katie with her Valproate Acid Syndrome and Kendra with her Spina Bifida), that Depakote is the worst one a woman can take. However, we also know from Jenny’s experience that it has been the only medication that stops her seizures completely. When (or if ever) Kendra would be able to want a family, she should also be mentally capable of discussing that were her personal physician. Realistically we don’t see that she will ever be able to do that, but hope springs eternal.

She also had a prescription for suppositories to stop prolonged seizing. The doctor changed that to a nasal spray. She doesn’t have enough muscle tone around her rectum to keep the suppository in long enough to do its job. He wrote two scripts, one for home and one for the school to have on hand.

We just want her to get through second grade in school at this point. Her developmentally delays and epilepsy, we have just had confirmed, are permanent. She will be able to learn, but she will never be even close to being able to live an independent life, not even in a specialized setting for people with disabilities. That was heartbreaking to hear but we’ll deal with what God gives us, keep working with her, and keep loving her. Knowing this will make every new word, every new activity or every new milestone she gets even more of a miracle.

So now you know what we know. And I’m going to hit my computer for some research! Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers. You are all awesome! ❤️
blooie, i truly don't know what to say except shes in my prayers, y'all have a lot to deal with and shes so young to have to go thru this. prayers:hugs:hugs:hugs:hugs
 
Monring...

fell down latst night leg went to sleep.... son had to take the bathroom door off so I could gt up.... hurt all over not broken... still shaky. sore... keeping a low rpovile today... seeing doc tomorow

Hoping mom will come ofver to babysit me today....

deb

Sorry to hear about the fall Deb, but glad to hear nothing was broken. I bet you do hurt all over, that kind of thing really jars the whole body. Take care :hugs

It's a perfect balance NFC...you're just not in the middle :lol:

Are you insinuating I'm the one that's not balanced? :lau (you may be right)

Debby, this is actually funny... Phone never rang (yes software for that too), but a voicemail shows up... It was your scam :lau They've really beefed their message up from last time I heard it. All should know that any "Official" agency who has any two pieces of info (i.e., Name and Phone #), they'll have all of your info. No need to verify anything and they've had that ability for at least 20 years.

Wow, it's nation wide!

We keep getting calls offering to assist us with paying off our school loans. I should probably call back the number they left and mess with them some. I wonder if the people making those calls are aware they are a scam or if they think they have an honest job working for someone.

I refuse to talk to them, even just to mess with them. Now an air horn, that might be handy to keep by the phone :cool:
 
<sigh> Okay, I’m probably going to screw this up, but finally heard from the kids, and as usual with kids who have complex medical issues, it’s a mixed bag.

The results of the MRI were the same as they were a couple of months ago. No increase, and in fact it confirmed the slight decrease, in the CSF in her ventricles. So scratch that worry. Yayyy!!

Oxybutin is not the cause of her seizures. Scratch that one....

He explained that in the early stages of her neural tube formation, when the bundle that is the neural plate take it’s assigned places as the spinal cord and the brain, Kendra’s brain didn’t form correctly. Here’s where I’ll get confused in the retelling, I fear. I think I understood that the brain forms from the inside of it to the outside. In Kendra’s case the opposite happened - the outside of her brain formed first, enveloping the inside out of order. This cortical malformation is almost certainly the cause of Kendra’s seizures and delays. She has two small areas of gray scarring, typical in cortical malformation but not large enough to be removed. Most kids with this malformation have seizures that are medication resistant. Kendra falls into this caragory.

There are a few things that can be done for Kendra. One is a medically supervised Keto diet. He said that within only 3 months we’d most likely see an improvement if there was going to be one, although he4 seizures wouldn’t stop completely on the diet. But Kendra is already a very light eater, and with her being in only the 8% percentile for weight given her height, he feared that even supervised the diet may trick her body into thinking she’s suffering from starvation. Scratch that one....not willing to take that risk.

The other is to do surgery to separate the membrane between the two halves of the brain. The doctor did not feel that the risk at this point was worth the uncertain outcome. Yep, scratch that one too.

The third one confuses me a bit, so I need to research it more. It’s called. Vagus Nerve Stimulator. A small half-dollar sized metal plate would be implanted into her chest, with wires wrapping around the Vagus nerves in her neck. The device pulses for 30 seconds, is off for 2 minutes, then repeats. The doctor seemed to be leaning toward this treatment, but the kids aren’t and ultimately it’s their call. Without more research and information, I tend to agree with them but am keeping my opinion to myself unless they ask for validation. He’s giving them all the time in the world to learn more about it, to understand it, and to make their decision. I applaud him for not pressuring them into something. She’d still need medication because it’s a joint therapy, and it could take 2 years to start working. It’s also more effective in people who have an aura and know a seizure is coming. Then either they or the person they tell runs a special magnet over the implant to activate the stimulator and reduce or stop the seizure. Kendra has no warning - she just drops. And she wouldn’t be able to recognize a seizure aura or tell anybody else anyway.

The plan at this point is to wean her off one of her 3 seizure meds, the Kepra, keep her on Onfi and a lower dose of Lamactil, and transition her to Depakote. The hope is that after the transition, which can be a little rough, we will be able to take her off everything except the Depakote. We know from our personal experience, (Katie with her Valproate Acid Syndrome and Kendra with her Spina Bifida), that Depakote is the worst one a woman can take. However, we also know from Jenny’s experience that it has been the only medication that stops her seizures completely. When (or if ever) Kendra would be able to want a family, she should also be mentally capable of discussing that were her personal physician. Realistically we don’t see that she will ever be able to do that, but hope springs eternal.

She also had a prescription for suppositories to stop prolonged seizing. The doctor changed that to a nasal spray. She doesn’t have enough muscle tone around her rectum to keep the suppository in long enough to do its job. He wrote two scripts, one for home and one for the school to have on hand.

We just want her to get through second grade in school at this point. Her developmentally delays and epilepsy, we have just had confirmed, are permanent. She will be able to learn, but she will never be even close to being able to live an independent life, not even in a specialized setting for people with disabilities. That was heartbreaking to hear but we’ll deal with what God gives us, keep working with her, and keep loving her. Knowing this will make every new word, every new activity or every new milestone she gets even more of a miracle.

So now you know what we know. And I’m going to hit my computer for some research! Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers. You are all awesome! ❤️

A real mix of good and not so good for sure B. But we've all seen her do things no one ever thought she'd be able to do. No one can say exactly what her "ceiling" will be. So hope and prayers are always a good thing. That special little girl has a special family on her side.:hugs
 
Sorry to hear about the fall Deb, but glad to hear nothing was broken. I bet you do hurt all over, that kind of thing really jars the whole body. Take care :hugs



Are you insinuating I'm the one that's not balanced? :lau (you may be right)



Wow, it's nation wide!



I refuse to talk to them, even just to mess with them. Now an air horn, that might be handy to keep by the phone :cool:
You claimed it willingly enough :idunno
 

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<sigh> Okay, I’m probably going to screw this up, but finally heard from the kids, and as usual with kids who have complex medical issues, it’s a mixed bag.

The results of the MRI were the same as they were a couple of months ago. No increase, and in fact it confirmed the slight decrease, in the CSF in her ventricles. So scratch that worry. Yayyy!!

Oxybutin is not the cause of her seizures. Scratch that one....

He explained that in the early stages of her neural tube formation, when the bundle that is the neural plate take it’s assigned places as the spinal cord and the brain, Kendra’s brain didn’t form correctly. Here’s where I’ll get confused in the retelling, I fear. I think I understood that the brain forms from the inside of it to the outside. In Kendra’s case the opposite happened - the outside of her brain formed first, enveloping the inside out of order. This cortical malformation is almost certainly the cause of Kendra’s seizures and delays. She has two small areas of gray scarring, typical in cortical malformation but not large enough to be removed. Most kids with this malformation have seizures that are medication resistant. Kendra falls into this caragory.

There are a few things that can be done for Kendra. One is a medically supervised Keto diet. He said that within only 3 months we’d most likely see an improvement if there was going to be one, although he4 seizures wouldn’t stop completely on the diet. But Kendra is already a very light eater, and with her being in only the 8% percentile for weight given her height, he feared that even supervised the diet may trick her body into thinking she’s suffering from starvation. Scratch that one....not willing to take that risk.

The other is to do surgery to separate the membrane between the two halves of the brain. The doctor did not feel that the risk at this point was worth the uncertain outcome. Yep, scratch that one too.

The third one confuses me a bit, so I need to research it more. It’s called. Vagus Nerve Stimulator. A small half-dollar sized metal plate would be implanted into her chest, with wires wrapping around the Vagus nerves in her neck. The device pulses for 30 seconds, is off for 2 minutes, then repeats. The doctor seemed to be leaning toward this treatment, but the kids aren’t and ultimately it’s their call. Without more research and information, I tend to agree with them but am keeping my opinion to myself unless they ask for validation. He’s giving them all the time in the world to learn more about it, to understand it, and to make their decision. I applaud him for not pressuring them into something. She’d still need medication because it’s a joint therapy, and it could take 2 years to start working. It’s also more effective in people who have an aura and know a seizure is coming. Then either they or the person they tell runs a special magnet over the implant to activate the stimulator and reduce or stop the seizure. Kendra has no warning - she just drops. And she wouldn’t be able to recognize a seizure aura or tell anybody else anyway.

The plan at this point is to wean her off one of her 3 seizure meds, the Kepra, keep her on Onfi and a lower dose of Lamactil, and transition her to Depakote. The hope is that after the transition, which can be a little rough, we will be able to take her off everything except the Depakote. We know from our personal experience, (Katie with her Valproate Acid Syndrome and Kendra with her Spina Bifida), that Depakote is the worst one a woman can take. However, we also know from Jenny’s experience that it has been the only medication that stops her seizures completely. When (or if ever) Kendra would be able to want a family, she should also be mentally capable of discussing that were her personal physician. Realistically we don’t see that she will ever be able to do that, but hope springs eternal.

She also had a prescription for suppositories to stop prolonged seizing. The doctor changed that to a nasal spray. She doesn’t have enough muscle tone around her rectum to keep the suppository in long enough to do its job. He wrote two scripts, one for home and one for the school to have on hand.

We just want her to get through second grade in school at this point. Her developmentally delays and epilepsy, we have just had confirmed, are permanent. She will be able to learn, but she will never be even close to being able to live an independent life, not even in a specialized setting for people with disabilities. That was heartbreaking to hear but we’ll deal with what God gives us, keep working with her, and keep loving her. Knowing this will make every new word, every new activity or every new milestone she gets even more of a miracle.

So now you know what we know. And I’m going to hit my computer for some research! Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers. You are all awesome! ❤️

Well that's a mixed bag of news Blooie. Hoping for the best, whatever the kids decide for your precious little one!
 

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