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OK I have a question.

At 13 days my cells look more like day 7. They were straight out of the hens, so very dinky when I set them. Less than a dime size diameter. Do I need to add water? I have none at all in there right now. I can't remember if I add or if I need to bring down the humidity. I figure if it's to humid in there I can put a dish of rice inside, but I think I need to add. Is that correct?
Sounds like the humidity is too high. I have used a fan across the top of the box to draw more air thru. and I have used an airconditioner to dry the air in my incubating room.


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yup, chickens are personal.




I know many people love DE but what is it?

Diatomaceous earth is made from the fossilized remains of tiny, aquatic organisms called diatoms. Their skeletons are made of a natural substance called silica. Over a long period of time, diatoms accumulated in the sediment of rivers, streams, lakes, and oceans. Today, silica deposits are mined from these areas.


and in the news today....


The Occupational Safety and Health Administration proposed long-awaited rules on Friday to limit crystalline silica, a move it said would prevent nearly 700 deaths a year by reducing exposure to these very small particles that can cause lung cancer and other diseases.


“Exposure to silica can be deadly, and limiting that exposure is essential,” said David Michaels, the assistant secretary of labor in charge of OSHA. He estimated that the proposed rule would prevent 1,600 new cases of silicosis each year.

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Just Sayin.......... Sometimes natural aint natural
Nothing personal oz, but I"m getting tired of more laws. People need to engage their brains and learn. Not much in our world that is with out risk.




Quote: There is a risk to most things. It is about weighing the good v. the bad. I don't see any attempt to ban aspirin or acetominephin-- yet these have side effects that can be deadly with long term use. I'm sure I don't have all the details correct, but the warning labels have gone onto the pain releivers for the side effects.

When a friend wants to stop taking her RA meds, she goes on a low cab diet like Weight Watches and her pain is gone.




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Caramel loves tomatoes. She'll suck one into her mouth as far as it will go, squish it and then slurp the seeds and then chew the meat. I find it highly entertaining.
OMG-- thank you for the clarification-- my mommy brain immediate ran to" she's bleeding" lol
 
SCG so glad that Caramel is feeling better!
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The video is so funny! Oz I am with you, DE has it's place but really doesn't do any good for people or chickens as a food additive. It won't kill internal worms. It will help keep flies down because it dries the eggs out that they lay. It is useful but definitely not the "cure all" I have seen it claimed to be.
 
Sounds like the humidity is too high. I have used a fan across the top of the box to draw more air thru. and I have used an airconditioner to dry the air in my incubating room.


lau.gif
yup, chickens are personal.




Nothing personal oz, but I"m getting tired of more laws. People need to engage their brains and learn. Not much in our world that is with out risk.




There is a risk to most things. It is about weighing the good v. the bad. I don't see any attempt to ban aspirin or acetominephin-- yet these have side effects that can be deadly with long term use. I'm sure I don't have all the details correct, but the warning labels have gone onto the pain releivers for the side effects.

When a friend wants to stop taking her RA meds, she goes on a low cab diet like Weight Watches and her pain is gone.




OMG-- thank you for the clarification-- my mommy brain immediate ran to" she's bleeding" lol
Its never personal.

In saying that it goes both ways.

Comparing tylenol of silicosis is a bit of a stretch. Protection of employees and low income workers is critical in our corporate world of greed. There is no law against you dusting your birds with DE but its also good to know that its potentially harmful.

Why does your friend not just stay on weight watchers and toss the meds?

I am a strong believer in evidence not anecdotes.

As far as cholesterol goes - you are not exactly correct. Cholesterol does matter. Serum cholesterol that is.

Total Cholesterol Level Category
Less than 200 mg/dL Desirable level that puts you at lower risk for coronary heart disease. A cholesterol level of 200 mg/dL or higher raises your risk.
200 to 239 mg/dL Borderline high
240 mg/dL and above High blood cholesterol. A person with this level has more than twice the risk of coronary heart disease as someone whose cholesterol is below 200 mg/dL.

*Your total cholesterol score is calculated by the following: HDL + LDL + 20% of your triglyceride level.

The biggest driver of high cholesterol is genetics.

Your college professor was right insofar as saying that dietary cholesterol is not a big player but in somebody with a strong family history of heart disease it can be. A cardiologist worth his salt will do everything he/she can to get cholesterol down on a 25 year old that has just had a heart attack from blocked coronary arteries. The goal for serum cholesterol in a person with personal or family history of heart disease is 130 mg/dL. I will bet my right coronary artery that the AHA will drop target cholesterol in the general population to 150 in the next 5 years. A high protein, low dietary cholesterol diet may be required.

I make my money from people having heart disease. Our business has shriveled. There has been a 30% drop in patients having cardiac interventions in the past 6 years. This has essentially been caused by one thing - Lipitor.

If you want scientific back up, PM me and I will source studies

Eating 18 eggs a day is a recipe for disaster. Moderation is the key. I eat eggs five days a week and I agree protein is a way better breakfast than carbs.
 
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As far as cholesterol goes - you are not exactly correct. Cholesterol does matter. Serum cholesterol that is.

Total Cholesterol Level Category
Less than 200 mg/dL Desirable level that puts you at lower risk for coronary heart disease. A cholesterol level of 200 mg/dL or higher raises your risk.
200 to 239 mg/dL Borderline high
240 mg/dL and above High blood cholesterol. A person with this level has more than twice the risk of coronary heart disease as someone whose cholesterol is below 200 mg/dL.

*Your total cholesterol score is calculated by the following: HDL + LDL + 20% of your triglyceride level.

The biggest driver of high cholesterol is genetics.

Your college professor was right insofar as saying that dietary cholesterol is not a big player but in somebody with a strong family history of heart disease it can be. A cardiologist worth his salt will do everything he/she can to get cholesterol down on a 25 year old that has just had a heart attack from blocked coronary arteries. The goal for serum cholesterol in a person with personal or family history of heart disease is 130 mg/dL. I will bet my right coronary artery that the AHA will drop target cholesterol in the general population to 150 in the next 5 years. A high protein, low dietary cholesterol diet may be required.

I make my money from people having heart disease. Our business has shriveled. There has been a 30% drop in patients having cardiac interventions in the past 6 years. This has essentially been caused by one thing - Lipitor.

If you want scientific back up, PM me and I will source studies

Eating 18 eggs a day is a recipe for disaster. Moderation is the key. I eat eggs five days a week and I agree protein is a way better breakfast than carbs.
Maybe I didn't type it right-- serum cholesterol IS important. However, cholesterol shouldn't be in the arteries, it should be in the cells for storage. CHolesterol should be about 180-220, depending on the source quoted.

Personally I"m not interested in giving my money to the pharmacutical compainies. I need that money for my chickens. I find it amazing that people will pay to take drugs when a dietary overhaul and increaing the exercise reverses much of the diseases experienced today.

I know you like literature quoted. Dr Atkins was great at listing all the studies at the end of his books, by chapter. I come from a strong scienceback ground with several prominent laboratories. HOwever, I also listen to peoples experiences because one by one , they all add up. ANd unfortunately no one will put a study together unless it is finacially beneficial, which usually means a pharmasutical company . I know such studies are inherently flawed. No truley independent studies.

Ya 18 eggs a day really respresents how desperate a person can fel about body weight. Inclusion of good vegies is very important, and berries,a nd nuts and good meats/fish. I was pointing this one persons intake to be a little funny. BUt also to point out how skewed our diet has been that many of us are very over weight and are struggling to get the weight off.

ANd my firend with RA-- I have wondered too why not stay with WW. Thru my journey of weight losss I have come to better understand human nature. Logical isn't so easy. THere needs to be other motivation. Easy to pop a pill than plan every meal every day week after week.
I have read a number of low carb diet books over the years..... Dr Atkins New Diet REvolution ( 3-4 editions) , Protein Power, THe Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, . . . and while written independendly, I was stunned to realize the the modern diet of high carbs and high fat is killing us. Bottom line is if we eat like our ancestors ate before 1890 , skip the donute, the coca-cola, the chips, the white flour, we are healthier.

Also the concensus amoung those that gather on the low carb forums is that most doctors cannot understand the low carb eating plan and therefore don't support it. Argh. . . . .so the only place I can find information is anecdotal and links to blogs like Dr Eades

What I know is this: WHen I live low carb ( right now under 30 carbs a day) I eat 3 servings of 4-6 oz of meat and 2 -3 cups of veg a day results in a great nights sleep, better mental focus, no afternoon slump and excess weight slowly dropping off. THe low carb diets are starting to become more acceptable.

IN my understanding of people, they will accept that genetics is the primary cause of high cholesterol. ANd trans late that into " it is beyond my control" . However any effect is a combo of genetics AND environment. Our standard AMerican diet stinks. A high carbohydrate diet of refined flours and lots of fats. Try switchng to eggs, beef, chicken , bacon and spinach, walnuts, parley, garlic, etc.

Oz, I can't give you much in the way of studies-- they don't exhist because no one will fund it -- no financial gain.

Sorry I"m running in circles. TIred and areas overlap and are related. Love our chats.
 
THere is a study that shows blood cholesterol compared to all deaths: below180 the death rates start to increase. Not saying 150 isn't reasonable . . . techinically the numbers will slide lower if the death rates decrease as the cholesterol levels decrease. IF that makes any sense mathmatically. lol
 
Atherosclerosis. 1992 May;94(1):1-12.
Low serum cholesterol, cancer and other noncardiovascular disorders.

Epstein FH.
Source

Institute of Social- and Preventive Medicine, University of Zürich, Switzerland.
its old but there are many more.



  • Atherosclerosis 1992 Sep;96(1):87.
Abstract

There has been much concern and discussion whether reduction of serum cholesterol by diet or drugs, while preventing coronary heart disease, might cause an increase in the risk of dying from noncardiovascular disorders, in particular cancer. A review of the evidence from ecological, cross-cultural comparisons, prospective epidemiological cohort studies and intervention trials provides no indication for a cause-and-effect association between low serum cholesterol or serum cholesterol lowering and the risk of cancer, except possibly at very low levels. An inverse relationship between noncardiovascular-noncancer mortality and serum cholesterol level does exist but the link is unlikely to be causal; for better understanding, there is a need for studying the biological, lifestyle and social correlates of this association. Continuing observations should pay attention to the accuracy of information on specific causes of noncardiovascular deaths, especially mortality not due to disease. Further research needs to include investigations into the determinants of low serum cholesterol levels and their possible influence on biological functions. It is concluded that the current recommendations for coronary heart disease prevention, aimed at lowering elevated serum cholesterol levels in individuals (the 'high-risk strategy') and in populations at high risk (the 'population strategy') require no basic modification in the light of present knowledge on the relationships between cholesterol and noncardiovascular disease mortality.
PMID:

1632854

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
I know many people love DE but what is it?

Diatomaceous earth is made from the fossilized remains of tiny, aquatic organisms called diatoms. Their skeletons are made of a natural substance called silica. Over a long period of time, diatoms accumulated in the sediment of rivers, streams, lakes, and oceans. Today, silica deposits are mined from these areas.


and in the news today....


The Occupational Safety and Health Administration proposed long-awaited rules on Friday to limit crystalline silica, a move it said would prevent nearly 700 deaths a year by reducing exposure to these very small particles that can cause lung cancer and other diseases.


“Exposure to silica can be deadly, and limiting that exposure is essential,” said David Michaels, the assistant secretary of labor in charge of OSHA. He estimated that the proposed rule would prevent 1,600 new cases of silicosis each year.

l

Just Sayin.......... Sometimes natural aint natural

I've never liked it..never worked like they said it would on my chickens. I use a spray that is for indoor birds..works great. Just a little here, and a little there.
 

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