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[Arielle]

Atherosclerosis. 1992 May;94(1):1-12.
Low serum cholesterol, cancer and other noncardiovascular disorders.

Epstein FH.
Source

Institute of Social- and Preventive Medicine, University of Zürich, Switzerland.
its old but there are many more.

• Atherosclerosis 1992 Sep;96(1):87.

Abstract

There has been much concern and discussion whether reduction of serum cholesterol by diet or drugs, while preventing coronary heart disease, might cause an increase in the risk of dying from noncardiovascular disorders, in particular cancer. A review of the evidence from ecological, cross-cultural comparisons, prospective epidemiological cohort studies and intervention trials provides no indication for a cause-and-effect association between low serum cholesterol or serum cholesterol lowering and the risk of cancer, except possibly at very low levels. An inverse relationship between noncardiovascular-noncancer mortality and serum cholesterol level does exist but the link is unlikely to be causal; for better understanding, there is a need for studying the biological, lifestyle and social correlates of this association. Continuing observations should pay attention to the accuracy of information on specific causes of noncardiovascular deaths, especially mortality not due to disease. Further research needs to include investigations into the determinants of low serum cholesterol levels and their possible influence on biological functions. It is concluded that the current recommendations for coronary heart disease prevention, aimed at lowering elevated serum cholesterol levels in individuals (the 'high-risk strategy') and in populations at high risk (the 'population strategy') require no basic modification in the light of present knowledge on the relationships between cholesterol and noncardiovascular disease mortality.

PMID:

1632854

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Will revisit this in the morning when I can actually comprehend it with a refreshed mind.

Is FH Epstien, Dr Frank EPstein??

Yes there are some studies out there not drug driven. I am jaded at this point. All studies can be skewed a bit, or taken too literally, or other factors also play a role.

My understanding at this point is that when eating good quality foods, much lower in carbs than the standard american diet, the LDL and HDL and cholesterol levels are corrected and risk factors are greatly improved.

My goal is to live to 100, cancer freee and coronary disease free. I want to enjoy my kids for a few more years. lol

 

[scottcaddy]

Quote: My Grand-Pa had an 8 gauge (he called it his goose getter) that he let me shoot 1 time. I was only about 17 years old and about 145pounds, that gun put me on my *** and d*mn near broke my collar bone! You had to be a good sized person to shoot them more then once.

Scott

 

[wolftracks]

The important thing to watch for is the amount of development from 0 to7 and the 7 to 14. The best way is to weigh the eggs.

It sounds like yours are developing just fine.

Hope you're right. I have no water in there, so I'm hoping the moisture in the air isn't to much. Sure feels dry to me though. But I'm not an egg.

I have nothing to contribute except a picture.




Caramel loves tomatoes. She'll suck one into her mouth as far as it will go, squish it and then slurp the seeds and then chew the meat. I find it highly entertaining.

OMG she's so cute! I miss the little goat I bought Makayla when we first moved here.

Sounds like the humidity is too high. I have used a fan across the top of the box to draw more air thru. and I have used an airconditioner to dry the air in my incubating room.

I don't have AC. I do have a swamp cooler so was worried about that. Even though it only cools a small portion of my tiny living room, but it's had to add to the humidity. Although I've only run it a total of 2 weeks all summer.



As for the Larry, Darryl and Darryl .....My dad's name was Larry. He has 2 younger brothers. We were at a family reunion several years ago in Oklahoma and my dad was introducing them to someone. The youngest one is very quiet and I wasn't sure if he even had a sense of humor. BTW I found my dad 13 years ago, so didn't know the family for long. My dad says "Hi I'm Larry, this is my brother, Darryl and this is my ....." I couldn't here my uncle's name said, because he was behind me, but in my ear I heard "And my other brother Darryl." I don't know if the guy heard him, but my husband and I did. I decided at that second that I liked him.

 

[drumstick diva]

My brother's name is Larry also and he loves to pull the Darryl and Darryl thing every chance he gets.

 

[drumstick diva]

SCG Caramel is a doll, when I first looked at that picture, I just thought goats have really fat tongues, who knew they love tomatoes?

 

[wolftracks]

My brother's name is Larry also and he loves to pull the Darryl and Darryl thing every chance he gets.

That's cool! I miss my dad. My uncle Darryl is a retired cop, real straight laced and my uncle Galin I just wish I new better. Him and his wife train horses. She wish I had been able to grow up around all of them.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: I hear you WOlf. After my parents divorced I wouldn't meet my father again for 30 yea rs. He died just 2 short years later. Long enough to tell me" what do ya want with a ROTTT wiler" in his best Maine accent and to see my first born. I still feel cheated. ( PS. He loved my rottie!)

 

[superchemicalgirl]

Aww, I loved it. I was laughing and my DH asks what's so funny, and I say, I want a goat.

Last summer we had 2 goats given to us. Maybe you'll be that lucky.

Yes there are some studies out there not drug driven. I am jaded at this point. All studies can be skewed a bit, or taken too literally, or other factors also play a role.

It is hard not to be jaded when working in health care.
From seeing patients think they can take a pill that will cure all that ails them, to watching drug companies patent a drug, and then the drug in extended release form, and then in an enantiomer form to get at least 3 patents out of each drug makes me angry. It's sleazy, but it's how they make money. I'm sure it increases medication errors. And then those of us in health care are trying to educate patients as to why drug X that they saw on TV isn't the best medication for them. I am pretty suspicious of new medications, as well. We just don't know what they do, long term. Sometimes there's nothing else to use, and we need to use them, but I would much rather have a patient be on an older medication where I am pretty sure I know most of the side effects.

My Grand-Pa had an 8 gauge (he called it his goose getter) that he let me shoot 1 time. I was only about 17 years old and about 145pounds, that gun put me on my *** and d*mn near broke my collar bone! You had to be a good sized person to shoot them more then once.

Scott

A 12 gauge can kick my butt. I can only shoot it a few times before I feel like my shoulder is going to fall off. I wasn't going to get either gun to shoot (I am suspicious of black powder rifles let alone ones built in the 1800s) but I thought the 6 gauge would look great over my fireplace. BF informed me this morning that we are headed back to the gun show today so he can get another Glock, so I'll be be checking out the 6 gauge again.

SCG Caramel is a doll, when I first looked at that picture, I just thought goats have really fat tongues, who knew they love tomatoes?

I had no idea until she started munching on the tomato plant I was watering a few days ago. I swatted her away, but she kept coming back and stealing tomatoes. Both goats love animal crackers, too. That's hilarious to watch and listen to them crunch. Caramel also likes to jump on my back and eat my hair. She's unique, that one.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Doctors tend to minimize the side effects, and usually don't mention them at all. It is only at pick up that the med sheet lists everything. WOuld have liked to seen that before agreeing to the meds. Pharmacists are way up on drugs compared to the doctors.

Advertising of drugs needs to be removed from TV. Period.

THe almighty buck rules.

 

[chickensnewtome]

Thatt is so stinkin cute

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I have got to stop shoving tomatoes in her mouth. She's going to have an upset rumen.