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[ChickenCanoe]

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That's right, CC, very good..... try to keep up.
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That's cool, I can keep up most of the time.
I've been accused of not considering things like silkies 'real chickens'. I have friends with them but I can't do froo froo chickens. I don't have appropriate conditions for them even if I wanted to. If I can't turn out flocks in the morning into fields and woods full of predators with no supervision and expect them all show up back in the coops at night, they have no place here.

Wanted to watch you net a goose CC, but when I went to the fox link, they wanted to run several hundred scripts on my computer in order for me to view. Nope, not gonna happen.

They were pretty good videos but I definitely understand that.

No, the eggs were $2.99 a dozen for fertile eggs at trader Joe's.

The Roosters were in the Garage. Someone was close enough to hear them and turned it in. I had a week to process them--including the ones I was growing out just for processing. It was probably someone going to one of the Neighbors perpetual yard sales. I had them in there for more than a year.

That's a shame.
Mine are in coops till at least 8 AM. It does cut down on the Db significantly. Except the ones that sit on a roost right next to a huge window.

Ron, I found the neighbors stopped holding lawn sales when I spent the day they had set aside for their lawn sale in my driveway, processing roosters.

There's always away.
My permit requires that processing isn't visible from off my property. Weird, I know.

Ron that is terrible that you got busted. Is there any way you can fight it like one lady on the Alabama thread did. She fought the officers saying that all her neighbor's dog's barked and bothered her all the time and that the noise was un-bareable. Due to the noise ordance she fought it and won the right to keep her rooster or else all the neighbor's dog's would have to go!
Just a thought....

Later this year I am going to try to get some fertile brown eggs at on of our stores near by and see if I can get any to hatch for the heck of it. lol I will have to buy anther bator. hehehee

Dogs, lawn mowers, weed eaters, roofers, boom boxes, trains, traffic are among the many things that are louder than roosters.


The egg carton has to say fertile eggs on it or the hens will not have run with a rooster. Some people think fertile eggs are healthier. That's weird isn't it?

Woodland has a chicken ordinance that does not allow for roosters. I would have to get the Ordinance changed which is not too likely.Yolo county has a large population of those that play the sport that cannot be named on BYC. The no Rooster ordinance is really for that--It has nothing to do with noise.

At city council meeting where I speak, fighting is occasionally brought up as an argument against but isn't as prominent as thinks like noise, property values, disease, smell, etc..
A big problem I see is that, if a city council decides to allow chickens, they turn it over to the city attorney to research. The attorney in turn, copies and pastes from ordinances that have been written all over the country. Never is there any research done. 80% of the ordinances around the country are word for word identical.

are they the same ones ?

I think the first picture is the same. The other pics are from about a year ago.

CC that is a wonderful packing job and worth every penny you spend on packing materials!

If they don't make it to their destination intact, it won't be my fault.

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One of my new year's resolutions is to be better at chicken record keeping.
So far in the first 3 days of the year, my spreadsheet says I've gotten 35 eggs. All small flocks. 3 are laying but 3 flocks haven't started laying yet.

 

[chickisoup]

Al! I found a product you have to buy! I tried out my new Yak Trax traction cleats today, super good traction. I could even walk on slippery roots no problem. Then I tried them on the equivalent of skating rink ice, I could get them to slip a bit if I really tried, but I could also walk surefooted with them.

Hi Vehve!
had to pop in and say YES to the Yak Trax. Only ones most folks around here wear during the spring ice storms.

So sorry about the roos Ron. That really stinks. Another reason we live in the middle of no where.

Hi to everyone else and glad to hear all survived the holidays. (hope I didn't miss too much but no way I tried catching up on over 200 posts).

Ok, the temp has finally climbed above -0 F now I better get out to the coop, back to work. BBL

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Sorry about your Roo's Ron ; Have you checked for a loop hole? if the ordnance is for F*&^%$^& purposes they may have left off something that would allow for breeding or homesteading purposes. The police in-force the law but do not always read them for loop holes.

Love the Goose story!
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Good points

Thanks.

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I also wonder if you could look into a endangered chicken breed and permit for Scientific purposes.

Or the 'right to farm' law. That is something I always mention.

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Bans put in place to stop criminals only hurt the law abiding citizens of the community.
There are in fact already laws in place to stop such things. If they were in-forced properly no bans would be needed.
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A lot of these ordinances are unnecessary. They already have a nuisance law on the books. That covers a multitude of sins.

I once lived in a place with pretty severe chicken restrictions: No more than 3, written permission from everyone within 100 yards, prooperty line placement restrictions and no roosters, which were illegal within the city limits. I had the blessings of all nearby neighbors, the Zoning folks, Animal Control....and then one person 99 yards away nixed the project out of spite.

THEN my next-door neighbors got an Easter chick for his kids which grew into a roo whose coop was located 15 feet from where I lay my head at night. Sure, put it in the backyard next to the property wall where no one will see it. They couldn't hear the thing because their bedrooms were on the far side of the property. The kicker is the thing would crow and crow and crow and all the nearby neighbors would give *me* dirty looks thinking I was keeping a forbidden roo. After all, I was the registered and petitioned chicken keeper. Anyway, after a full moon and a night of incessant cockadoodling the bird had to go.

So, yes, I can definitely understand the why of "No Rooster" ordinances, especially in areas with population densities. They are louder than you think.

One of the clauses I see written into ordinances is that the coop needs to be a specific distance from the owner's residence. I tell them that if you want to control any possible nuisance, you want it right up against their house, that way it will be quiet with no smell.

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So sorry about the roos Ron. That really stinks. Another reason we live in the middle of no where.
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Winter is finally here too.

Had I not prevailed getting chickens and roosters legalized here, I would probably have had the place fixed up to sell for the move to a freer place. Chickens eat up so much time, I've made l

 

[vehve]

But really, the point I was trying to make, was that some of the laws actually are in place for good reasons. If everyone with chickens is required to register themselves as chicken keepers, it means that in case of a widespread epidemic, like avian flu, you can easily reach the ones who keep birds. And I think it's good that the way fecal matter from animals is stored is regulated too. So that people don't just dump everything their 30 000 broiler farm produces in the river that the next town over uses as a water supply.

 

[Latestarter]

The problem with "registering everyone" for anything is that that information, now compiled, can be misused by the power hungry. History repeats itself and that fact has been re-proven time and time again. "Some laws" is so often expanded to include "ALL laws" and at that point, it's too late. And if you're going to regulate fecal matter, what about wild birds and wild animals? How will you regulate them? Most avian flu is spread NOT by homestead chickens but by wild migratory birds. You can kill every chicken keepers little flock and you will NOT stop it from spreading. Let's try to be realistic. We're not talking 30,000 bird industrial farms here. The laws/bans that are being passed are not to affect them. There are already laws in place to take care of that. Like so many other "social" issues that folks are trying to "fix" by passing laws or legislating them away... it's not going to work.

There are so many (contradictory) laws on the books now that NOBODY can possibly be aware of, let alone follow/obey them all. That's part of the reason why there are so many specialized "branches" of law... no single lawyer could possibly "practice" in all facets of law. Just physically and mentally impossible. Compound this by "loopholes" created by adding legislation to try and fix other loopholes, and it becomes a vicious circle.

If everyone just lived by the golden rule (Do unto other as you'd have others do unto you) and operated by the premise to do nothing that would affect another's right to peaceably exist, and leave their place of existence in a better state than what/when they received it, the world would be a pretty nice place to be in.

 

[bamadude]

How goes the hatch Bamadude?

any pics of the new flock yet?

Looks like 13-14 have hatched. I will take pics later

 

[ChickenCanoe]

It is a complicated issue. I agree that the intent of most regulations is for the good of the collective.

It makes me wonder when people want to roll back all the EPA regulations. Do they want to go back to the days when smog covered most major cities or when the great lakes and many rivers were dead and couldn't support fish?
The Missouri Botanical Garden, established in 1850s. By 1925, coal smoke threatened all the plant collections and they bought property in outstate Missouri to where they moved the orchid collection. There were plans to move all the plants and greenhouses there. The smoky air of St. Louis could no longer support conifer trees. All the conifers that are growing on the Shaw Nature Reserve date from that time.

I'm a big fan of clean air and rivers that support fish.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

The problem with "registering everyone" for anything is that that information, now compiled, can be misused by the power hungry. History repeats itself and that fact has been re-proven time and time again. "Some laws" is so often expanded to include "ALL laws" and at that point, it's too late. ...

So true.

 

[getaclue]

But really, the point I was trying to make, was that some of the laws actually are in place for good reasons. If everyone with chickens is required to register themselves as chicken keepers, it means that in case of a widespread epidemic, like avian flu, you can easily reach the ones who keep birds. And I think it's good that the way fecal matter from animals is stored is regulated too. So that people don't just dump everything their 30 000 broiler farm produces in the river that the next town over uses as a water supply.

No one is denying that some of the laws are in place for good reason. Many are not. Many are simply in place as an added source of govt. income. It's like rabies tags for dogs. Rabies shots don't/can't prevent rabies. Our govt. forces us to get a shot for our dogs that they know doesn't work. To add insult to injury, they not only require the shot, BUT a tag has to be purchased too ($40.00 here) which costs more than the mandatory worthless shot. It's simply a way for them to generate more revenue.

 

[ronott1]

Looks like 13-14 have hatched. I will take pics later

That is great!