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I agree Bunnylady! hahahaa

I showed my husband a pic on facebook of a fully stocked sewing room and I said I want one of those!
He looked and he said that's not a sewing room that's a store! hhahahahhahaaa

Thanks dsqard I go look.
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I agree Bunnylady! hahahaa

I showed my husband a pic on facebook of a fully stocked sewing room and I said I want one of those!
He looked and he said that's not a sewing room that's a store! hhahahahhahaaa

Thanks dsqard I go look.
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Just for You(and others that take men to "those Places"

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getaclue thoughts and prayers go out to you!
I will not discuss what some TWH people do to their horses to get "action" in the ring. The association is (or was) cracking down on the worst behaviors but even the "humane" ones I don't find very humane.

I somewhat agree with you. The stacks are regulated as to how heavy and how big they can be, and as long as the horse gets some downtime off of the stacks every now and then (some of the better barns take them off the stacks after their last show, then put them back a bit before the first show of the year), the chains are no worse than a person wearing a chunky bracelet, something that I find irritating (when I wear them), but not cruel. I have put "chains" made of a leather strap and big wooden beads on some of my horses, just a little weight and rattle on their leg, nothing painful. I don't believe that such long shanks are really needed, but a bit is only as harsh as the riders hands, so the long shanked bit isn't entirely a problem in my view.
Actually chemically soring a horse, yes, I have a problem with that. A big problem, but, cracking down on all other breeds and anything that could be considered an "action device" is not the answer, neither is having someone that knows next to nothing about a horse examining them and writing out fines without listening to reason. I have a horse that cut both sides of his pastern in a freak accident in the field, I got the vet out, spent months cleaning it and bandaging it, but, he is a TWH which means that he will never be able to show because of that scar on his leg. How is that fair to me when I did the right thing and took care of him? My vet could tell anyone that he wasn't hurt on purpose and that it was a cut, not soring that produced that scar, but I doubt the feds would listen. I have 2 TWH, neither are sored, both are barefoot, but, I would love to ride a big lick horse one day, it just looks like a really fun ride.
 
rotational grazing would be nice if I had pasture... Here everything is a dry lot. so Feed bio-security is simple. Though I have heard that grazing horses and cows together helps with the parasite load. Because some of their parasites are species specific.

Yep I know about the Big Lick TWH.... and Saddlebred practices.... known some who did theirs naturally. Both Breeds are a hoot... Very willing to please... people horses.

I am a Dressage person Natural movement and ability for me... Lots of body communication Voice too. Though Horses do better with non verbal. A word or two can be conditioned. Driven Dressage too.

I actually competed with my un-shod. un-overchecked, un-docked, draft mare in a Class A draft horse show. My harness was a Gig Style Crapo cheepo off Ebay... IN BROWN.... LOL. No Chrome No Scotch collar.... My Cart was a good one but not a show cart. All hickory and natural finish.

We competed against horses with Scotch bottom shoes 7000 harnesses 4000 carts Overchecks and Chrome on everything... We did well in pleasure won enough to pay for entry fees and stabling.... I was very happy.

Not a fan of drugs either worming for wormings sake. But If its needed I do it right propper dose of Known larvacide and follow up with secondary doses if needed. Ivermectin is one on my benign list and can be given to goats dogs horses and chickens. in propper dosages, on or off label.

If I were to do sheep I would do Barbados Black Belly.... Not American Barbados.... Black belly's are naturally polled and very well adapted to living in my desert environment. Also they are hair sheep.

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Though I would have to bottle raise some lambs because their nature is pretty wild. Especially if they arent handled when young...



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Quote: I have no issue with any of it practiced humanely.... I know its a preference for showing... and i agree with you on the chemical part.

I grew up with horror stories about the tails and while I still prefer a natural tail a long talk with someone who like you was a very knowledgeable show person. Found out that No ligaments or tendons are cut.... Whew.

used to be fashionalbe to Nerve the tail on Western pleasure horses... Snip the nerves and they no longer can swish or carry their tail any higher than necessary to relieve themselves. There was a crack down on that one.... whew again.

And yes a bit is just a tool and in proper hands can be as mild as you need. I have seen spade bits the kind wrapped in wire and spoons that run up into the mouth on an educated horse and rider.... no discomfort at all. in the wrong hands a bloody mess.

Then again I am old enough to have seen barbed wire wrapped bits for training. clubs used between the ears to "teach them to hold their head down".... I digress... fifty years worth of observing "Training techniques" has me pretty jaded, and particular.

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