The Plymouth Rock Breeders thread

[JLaw]

Anyone know where to get frizzle barred rock hatching eggs?

 

[Silver Rock]

I had the same thought too, and when asking/conversing on those type issues it helps to know the area/nomenclature a bit better, it will yield more serious results from the folks that are "in the know" like where the cushion could develop is the back ..ect J/S 

I think it was Joseph(yellowhousefarms) I believe posted an interesting read on just this sort of topic, like calling the cock a roo(fine for BYC) an so forth. The serious folks/breeders won't take you serious enough/waste their time on matters. Get the science down and speak it and they will listen and answer. Ok my Mr. "knowitall" session is done I'm good, LOL

Jeff

I would have to disagree with you catdaddy. I think any of the truly "serious folks/breeders" are out there trying their best to help out anyone that may ask for help. I know I was very surprised when Bob Blosl started sending me very positive messages on my Silver Penciled Plymouth Rock cockerel. He also answered every breeding question I ask him and I know I was not 100% correct in my wording in all the messages I sent him. He never try to correct my wording as I think he knew what I was asking even if it was not worded 100% correctly. What I did get from Bob Blosl was very knowledgeable breeding advice that I will use.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Compensatory match ups.







There two pullets are F1 birds from an outcross, so the excessive fluff and less than sharp barring was expected. As long as it wasn't out of control, it is acceptable for an F1. But…. what if ALL your females had this issue? What if all your females were too loose in feathering? What if all your females were cushioned? What then?

Of course, you could beg, borrow, trade, or buy a tighter female from someone else with your line and forget your's altogether. That's a fairly quick and easy approach, but not always feasible. So, pick through what you have and take the best, even if "best" means the least objectionable as opposed to being particularly good.

Then, you really need to compensate in the matchup. Here's a cock bird with super tight feathering.



(That little grey/white area is just flash). This cock bird (named Alpha One) also just so happens to be the grandsire of these F1 females. His tight feathering and super tight barring is a compensatory matchup for them. This same cockbird was also the sire of Normanack's gorgeous pullet, who has great, tight feathering.





This would represent perhaps the very best tactic. If we line bred back to the grandsire, I would expect some very, very good results. But,... If I made a really bad breeding decision and used a cockerel such as below?



I'd likely stamp the offspring with that fluff and it would put me behind the Eight-Ball for years and years.

 

[Wynette]

I would have to disagree with you catdaddy. I think any of the truly "serious folks/breeders" are out there trying their best to help out anyone that may ask for help. I know I was very surprised when Bob Blosl started sending me very positive messages on my Silver Penciled Plymouth Rock cockerel. He also answered every breeding question I ask him and I know I was not 100% correct in my wording in all the messages I sent him. He never try to correct my wording as I think he knew what I was asking even if it was not worded 100% correctly. What I did get from Bob Blosl was very knowledgeable breeding advice that I will use.

Bob was a VERY special man who cannot be compared to most folks. I am happy for you that you had good feedback from one longtime breeder.

You'll likely want to ask more than one person for feedback.

 

[Wynette]

Compensatory match ups.







There two pullets are F1 birds from an outcross, so the excessive fluff and less than sharp barring was expected. As long as it wasn't out of control, it is acceptable for an F1. But…. what if ALL your females had this issue? What if all your females were too loose in feathering? What if all your females were cushioned? What then?

Of course, you could beg, borrow, trade, or buy a tighter female from someone else with your line and forget your's altogether. That's a fairly quick and easy approach, but not always feasible. So, pick through what you have and take the best, even if "best" means the least objectionable as opposed to being particularly good.

Then, you really need to compensate in the matchup. Here's a cock bird with super tight feathering.



(That little grey/white area is just flash). This cock bird (named Alpha One) also just so happens to be the grandsire of these F1 females. His tight feathering and super tight barring is a compensatory matchup for them. This same cockbird was also the sire of Normanack's gorgeous pullet, who has great, tight feathering.





This would represent perhaps the very best tactic. If we line bred back to the grandsire, I would expect some very, very good results. But,... If I made a really bad breeding decision and used a cockerel such as below?



I'd likely stamp the offspring with that fluff and it would put me behind the Eight-Ball for years and years.

Fred, I LOVE your examples.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Just for giggles. Here's little ol' Alpha One when he was nothing more than Midget One.
Mind you, Alpha One's head is at my waist today.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Here's Alpha One's grandsire, I believe. I think he might still be scratching this side of the sod out at JWhip's place.

 

[Fred's Hens]

This pullet in this photo is the grand dam of the pullet I below. Eight weeks in both cases.





Can you see the "line" express itself in a family resemblance, generation after generation?

 

[Silver Rock]

Bob was a VERY special man who cannot be compared to most folks.  I am happy for you that you had good feedback from one longtime breeder.    You'll likely want to ask more than one person for feedback.

There are many more poultry breeding sites than just BYC. I also have got a ton of very knowledgeable breeding advice from many long time poultry breeders off Facebook.

 

[Wynette]

There are many more poultry breeding sites than just BYC. I also have got a ton of very knowledgeable breeding advice from many long time poultry breeders off Facebook.

Oh, for sure. I've seen you're a member of most all of them, have seen your posts over on showbidbird, too. There are some great breeders on that site, as well.