The Rhodebar thread!

[nicalandia]

The dark red are frequently single barred. This is a source of contention for me as true breeding rhodebar roos should be double barred (thus making them appear lighter). One of the reasons you see both is that in some countries it is common to "show" the single barred males because some people consider them more striking. Apparently those who show single barred males use their double barred males for purebred breeding pens.
Some will argue that a rhodebar cock can be single barred or double barred. I disagree. .. the single barred will not breed true 100% of the time.
So. .. there are many ways to skin this cat. .. Just depends if you want the skin or the meat. ;-)

with selective breeding one could darken the tone of the males, and outsourcing the Dark Barring gene from other sources would also do that, but will set you back a few time..

 

[RedRidge]

One of my big concerns is being able to tell the wheaten from wild type. Just saying "yellow is bad" is likely not enough. For example. ..

 

[nicalandia]

One of my big concerns is being able to tell the wheaten from wild type. Just saying "yellow is bad" is likely not enough. For example. ..

so Dark, so nice..

good thing is we already have CCLxRIR crosses to look at and they show chipmunk striping

 

[RedRidge]

These are pure rir chicks so I am worried that the first cross will produce males who are not wheaten looking. ..
Am I concerned about that for nothing?

 

[RedRidge]

I didn't word that right but you know what I mean right?

 

[nicalandia]

These are pure rir chicks so I am worried that the first cross will produce males who are not wheaten looking. ..
Am I concerned about that for nothing?

worry not, the First cross will Yield chicks that will look wildtype(not all of them, but enough) this is your ticket because you will know this chicks do carry e+

 

[ortluk]

worry not, the First cross will Yield chicks that will look wildtype(not all of them, but enough) this is your ticket because you will know this chicks do carry e+

in addition if you cross one of those cockerels to HRIR hens then some of the cockerels from that mating will have the same genotype as the f1 cockerel. So they should look the same as the f1 you used except likely with a better type. Then if you use one of these over some pure pullets you will get some pure pullets and pure cockerels with the improvements from the HRIR crosses. If i understand what nic has been saying correctly.

Keep in mind at this point this is all theory for me as I don't have the birds to try these crosses myself. I do have some rhodebar eggs coming from pappa brooder, but I don't have access to any hrir, only a handful of hatchery reds from mcmurray, and I'm afraid of making the issues with the rhodebar worse if I use those, rather than improving the breed.

 

[nicalandia]

in addition if you cross one of those cockerels to HRIR hens then some of the cockerels from that mating will have the same genotype as the f1 cockerel. So they should look the same as the f1 you used except likely with a better type. If i understand what nic has been saying correctly.

not only better Type, most genes found on HRIR would be in homozygous state at this stage

 

[RedRidge]

Ortluk where are you located

 

[nicalandia]

it appears that the wheaten found on HRIR is the most recessive of the "Dominant" wheaten..

so far even the eb which should be the most recessive of them all is showing up on eWh/eb cross chicks..

take a look
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/375015/sexlink-thread-pictures-and-discussion/640#post_6520730