The Rhodebar thread!

[rc50]

My Hambar females, some not all, have an eye line... it is more just a little jot of a black line... my females are darker than males... where as they are almost white... I am hatching my fourth generation the end of march... years of work still ahead... good luck




Keith
SC
USA

 

[eramsey99]

WOW... its been a little while since i've been on here.. I've been at school and my parents have been keeping up with my chickens while i've been gone.. It just now hit me that hatching season is upon us and my prized Rhodebar Roo i had raised up and bred last year was made a meal by a stray Jack Russell Terrier.. The same Jack Russell made a meal of all my Rhodebar pullets and cockerels about a month later.. I have one lone Rhodebar pullet now and she's healthy as ever but i lost her breeding partner.. I was a little upset..

Anyways. i was curious if there was anyone around the Oklahoma City/Shawnee/Edmond , Oklahoma area that might have any eggs my mom could hatch off in her elementary school classroom because i wont be able to supply her this year due to my loss..

 

[RedRidge]

OK Nicalandia, et al...
These are the striped F1s... there are 10 all together.
I have broken them down into 2 groups... the ones that are a little lighter with little or no horn on the beak, and the ones who are darker.

If you think I should identify them in even smaller groups, let me know...
That gives me 18 chicks broken down into 6 different "down" groups.
Now the fun begins... to watch how they evolve...

 

[RedRidge]

Perfect, thank you very much. I will post pictures in a couple days of what I'm working with, I hope you can chime in on which I should cook and which I should keep, for my hopeful project.

did you see how I called the BC1 Upgraded Rhodebars? yes they will be pure(at least the e+/e+ B/B males and e+/e+ B/- females) while the F1 Females are e+/eWh B/- and would look better than the Upgraded BC1 females, that single eWh gene(from RIR dam) would make them no pure Rhodebar, but hey who is keeping Tabs, they would be undistinguishable from e+/e+ B/- good Quality Rhodebar

Marvin,
My concern is that not being able to tell the e+/e+ B/- from the e+/eWh B/- will make proceeding very difficult.

 

[melroseladi]

OK Nicalandia, et al...
These are the striped F1s... there are 10 all together.
I have broken them down into 2 groups... the ones that are a little lighter with little or no horn on the beak, and the ones who are darker.

If you think I should identify them in even smaller groups, let me know...
That gives me 18 chicks broken down into 6 different "down" groups.
Now the fun begins... to watch how they evolve...

Awwww love the babies. The three that I am planning on keeping from first hatch all had good striping, good beak color, and good leg color. I am thinking 2 are female and 1 is male. I do have another one that hatched out that was lighter and goodness the white barring on his wings is so pretty but he just didn't have that good chipmunk striping at hatch. He is also a much lighter red then my HRIR. He did have different shading down the back when he hatched but not the dark stripes. I am tempted to keep him just to see how he ends up feathering out.

I had another bad hatch and only have a dozen or so that made it, so far. Not sure what the issue is but I am having a lot not making it out of shell, some internally pipped but many externally pipped and just quitting. Only 1 of my RC made it most of the way out of the shell and then died. All air cells looked good when they went into lockdown. I am going to hold off hatching until I can get this figured out.

Penny

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

Awe, bummer about the hatching. :-(
So are you thinking you will keep any F1 males at all? I keep waffling on this because really none of the F1s "appear" to have wheaten, although we know they are all half. So identifying the BC1 who do and do not have eWh will be impossible unless we want to raise them to pol and hatch their offspring in several different pens to see who is what. And THAT sounds like a major undertaking.
I guess I expected more F1 to look a little wheaten.

Also I was curious... You mentioned switching cocks... is this busy for early on genetic diversity or did you have another reason? I have hatched some purebred RB this year too in hopes of getting an even better RB cockerel for my BC1 cross. Because the ones I hatched this year are totally different genetics than the one I'm using for my current F1s I figured that would be a good idea in more ways than one.

I'd like to hatch BC1s this fall.

 

[melroseladi]

Awe, bummer about the hatching. :-(
So are you thinking you will keep any F1 males at all? I keep waffling on this because really none of the F1s "appear" to have wheaten, although we know they are all half. So identifying the BC1 who do and do not have eWh will be impossible unless we want to raise them to pol and hatch their offspring in several different pens to see who is what. And THAT sounds like a major undertaking.
I guess I expected more F1 to look a little wheaten.

Also I was curious... You mentioned switching cocks... is this busy for early on genetic diversity or did you have another reason? I have hatched some purebred RB this year too in hopes of getting an even better RB cockerel for my BC1 cross. Because the ones I hatched this year are totally different genetics than the one I'm using for my current F1s I figured that would be a good idea in more ways than one.

I'd like to hatch BC1s this fall.

Sheri I am really thinking that my one F1 that I plan on keeping is a male, so that would give me 2 females and 1 male out of first hatching that had very good stripes, decent beak and leg color at hatch. I think most of that first hatch are male, based on behavior and feather growth. Some of the lighter ones in that hatch have really nice wing barring, especially one but their coloring is much lighter then I am trying to get.

I only have the 1 Rhodebar cock. I am thinking of switching out my hens that are with him for 2 others to see what I get. The 2 that are in with him now are a few generations from Gary's farm. The 2 I will put in will be ones straight from Gary. That will give me a more diverse genetic base and if I get anything awesome from either group I can cross them.

My SC HRIR rooster has a bad leg, he and Rhodie had a battle as a youngsters and he twisted it some how. He is still very mobile but he does have a hard time balancing when breeding, so he is going to have to be replaced. I am hoping that the orphan chick is a male, super mellow bird, but since a lot of it's tail was ripped out by that opossum I can't really tell yet. It is really sweet though, never picks on the smaller birds and tolerates them using him/her for a launching pad.

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

Awe, bummer about the hatching. :-(

So are you thinking you will keep any F1 males at all? I keep waffling on this because really none of the F1s "appear" to have wheaten, although we know they are all half. So identifying the BC1 who do and do not have eWh will be impossible unless we want to raise them to pol and hatch their offspring in several different pens to see who is what. And THAT sounds like a major undertaking.

I guess I expected more F1 to look a little wheaten.


Also I was curious... You mentioned switching cocks... is this busy for early on genetic diversity or did you have another reason? I have hatched some purebred RB this year too in hopes of getting an even better RB cockerel for my BC1 cross. Because the ones I hatched this year are totally different genetics than the one I'm using for my current F1s I figured that would be a good idea in more ways than one.


I'd like to hatch BC1s this fall.

Sheri I am really thinking that my one F1 that I plan on keeping is a male, so that would give me 2 females and 1 male out of first hatching that had very good stripes, decent beak and leg color at hatch. I think most of that first hatch are male, based on behavior and feather growth. Some of the lighter ones in that hatch have really nice wing barring, especially one but their coloring is much lighter then I am trying to get.

I only have the 1 Rhodebar cock. I am thinking of switching out my hens that are with him for 2 others to see what I get. The 2 that are in with him now are a few generations from Gary's farm. The 2 I will put in will be ones straight from Gary. That will give me a more diverse genetic base and if I get anything awesome from either group I can cross them.

My SC HRIR rooster has a bad leg, he and Rhodie had a battle as a youngsters and he twisted it some how. He is still very mobile but he does have a hard time balancing when breeding, so he is going to have to be replaced. I am hoping that the orphan chick is a male, super mellow bird, but since a lot of it's tail was ripped out by that opossum I can't really tell yet. It is really sweet though, never picks on the smaller birds and tolerates them using him/her for a launching pad.

Penny

Ah... We both just have too many unknowns at this point. I'm so inclined to keep em all just to see how they turn out - BUT jeez where would I put them all? LOL
I have another 21 F1 eggs in the bator. .. All 21 candled viable yardage and should hatch a week from Friday. I think I will stop there, document carefully, then see how the feathering comes in.
I have hatched all the replacement HRIR I need this year and have begun filling my orders to ship HRIR hatching eggs, so at least I may be able to shut the bators and heat lamps down till fall.

 

[melroseladi]

Ah... We both just have too many unknowns at this point. I'm so inclined to keep em all just to see how they turn out - BUT jeez where would I put them all? LOL
I have another 21 F1 eggs in the bator. .. All 21 candled viable yardage and should hatch a week from Friday. I think I will stop there, document carefully, then see how the feathering comes in.
I have hatched all the replacement HRIR I need this year and have begun filling my orders to ship HRIR hatching eggs, so at least I may be able to shut the bators and heat lamps down till fall.

Yeah, I wish I had the space to keep them all but I am thinking that no matter how nice they turn out as adults if they didn't have good color and chipmunk striping as hatchlings then I don't want to keep them, although my freezer is getting bare so that is an option. I am going to finish up this hatch, finish building the outdoor brooder, and work on my incubator issues then maybe do some more hatching. Having so many die at hatching really has hurt my heart.

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

Genetics question of the day...

Consider the four different ways to achieve BC1s...
Option 1: you originally bred a RB male to a HRIR female, then for your BC1 you would breed your F1 female back to RB male.
Option 2: you originally bred a RB male to a HRIR female, then for your BC1 you would breed your F1 male back to HRIR female.
Option 3: you breed a HRIR male to a RB female and then breed an F1 male to a RB female.
Option 4: you breed a HRIR male to a RB female and then breed an F1 female to a HRIR male.

Statistically your BC1 result options will be the same... but... Will one breeding path lead to easier interpretation and identification than the other?
I believe it is going to be more difficult to identify e+e+ vs. e+eWh than I had originally hoped and I'm trying to "guess" if identification of heterozygous wildtype might be easier with one path than another.
IOW... using really dark HRIR chicks is a two edged sword.

Does anyone have a SWAG about the results without having to raise them out and breed them to find out.