The Serpents Have Been Arrested!

Park? No. Just a couple miles away. I am sorry. I just wouldn't kill a snake or any other animal I wasn't going to eat.
I don't mean to quibble over the finer points of putting up with snakes around chickens, but two of the grandchildren I adore love to help with the chickens. Katie is 8 and Evan is 9. Once my birds start laying there will be times when my husband and I are away for a night or two. We recently had a family medical emergency out of state and gave the kids (and their moms) a crash course in chicken care and farming. We were gone one full week. They did an awesome job, and they loved every minute of it. (Well, except for the time a few chickens escaped, but that's a tale for another place and time!) Anyway, they are now eager to learn to open the nest box and gather the eggs.

If those kids reached into the nest box and encountered a snake, how long before I could get them to try again? Or their moms? Or for that matter, me? And we live in an area where we have rattlesnakes, including pygmy rattlers which are very small and don't always rattle to warn. Another granddaughter is 2 1/2 and has Spina Bifida, so her ability to escape any danger is minimal, unless she runs one over with her wheelchair. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but if anyone - including me - reaches into a nest and comes into contact with a snake, I'm not planning to stop, get out a herpetology manual, and try to identify it in order to decide what to do with it. That snake is gone - by any means necessary.

I do what I can to mitigate that possibility - to protect both the chickens and the wildlife. I have 1/4 inch hardware cloth over 1/2 inch hardware cloth (so the holes don't line up, which makes the mesh even closer together) and that's sewn over the chicken wire with steel wire. I have a wide apron of both going around the coop and the run, and the hardware cloth sandwich goes 2 feet up the side of the run. It also goes up several inches over the bottom of the coop. There are no openings into the coop or the run. Food is stored in galvanized metal cans inside a small enclosure and we make sure we are careful not to spill. Some spills are unavoidable, but the sparrows and finches usually clean that up before any rodents know it's even there. It's not perfect, I'm sure, but it's the best I can do to prevent rodent and snake invasions. I am not a snake hater. My son had a pet snake when he was growing up. My oldest granddaughter (20) has one now at her house. So it's not a vendetta against all snakes - it is simply my responsibility to make sure that the birds I take care of are safe and that I'm not putting my little ones at risk.
 
<GULP> Please tell me that 1/4" hardware cloth over 1/2" cloth over chicken wire will help keep these crawlies out!

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Take a deep breath...YES...it should do an excellent job...in fact we are discussing how to attach some to the 2 x 4 inch cattle panels on one side of our hen house (required to keep out bobcats and coyotes and cougars), and the eves of our hen house and feed room very soon. The snakes might be dropping out of the oak trees, onto the tin roof, and then slithering down a post to get in...at least we are figuring that these are the only 2 ways left that they could enter our building.
 
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Take a deep breath...YES...it should do an excellent job...in fact we are discussing how to attach some to the 2 x 4 inch cattle panels on one side of our hen house (required to keep out bobcats and coyotes and cougars), and the eves of our hen house and feed room very soon. The snakes might be dropping out of the oak trees, onto the tin roof, and then slithering down a post to get in...at least we are figuring that these are the only 2 ways left that they could enter our building.
Oh, good! I feel a lot better now. Gotcha! So first thing in the morning I'm going out and making tents over the apricot tree and the cherry trees with 1/4 inch hardware cloth.
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Um, slither. Didja hafta say slither? LOL
 
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that's not a bad idea if its affordable, especially if you could extend it out to either more trees/ a larger space, then down the sides as well because then you would also have more room / places that are snake free for your chickens
 
that's not a bad idea if its affordable, especially if you could extend it out to either more trees/ a larger space, then down the sides as well because then you would also have more room / places that are snake free for your chickens
All joking aside I have heard that wrapping tree trunks with chicken wire - with a few of the links cut periodically to make pointy little sticky-outy things - will deter snakes and cats from climbing up into the trees. What do you think? Make sense?
 
makes sense but sounds dangerous, we all know how much damage sharp pieces of wire are to adult hands and childrens hands. also for animals. I would advise against that. besides it wouldn't be good for the tree.
 
Park? No. Just a couple miles away. I am sorry. I just wouldn't kill a snake or any other animal I wasn't going to eat.

I don't kill without a reason. Before we had chickens I didn't kill skunks, possums, etc. because I don't eat them. I eat pretty much everything else, though: armadillo, coon, rabbit, whatever. But skunks, possums, and a heck of a lot of other predators go after my birds and eggs... reason enough.
 
makes sense but sounds dangerous, we all know how much damage sharp pieces of wire are to adult hands and childrens hands. also for animals. I would advise against that. besides it wouldn't be good for the tree.
Yeah, you're probably right. Wonder, though, about a ring of it higher up in the tree, away from little fingers and grownups. Can't imagine why a grownup would want to get close and personal with a tree trunk, but you do bring up some good points. (pun not intended) I also wouldn't object to discouraging some of the many feral cats who can't seem to stay away from the coop and run with maybe a 1 foot wide band of it up high.
 
have you tried trapping the feral cats? you can get those human traps and offer food in them of various kinds. then either dispose of them ( bare in mind they could have diseases or something or could be harmless) or cal in the animal control/ spca etc to collect them. hopefully that should get rid of the problem for a while being. I realise that it would be expensive but it could be a great idea none the less to have a completely enclosed run, and could be good for the future and pay for itself, especially if its also cat proof, dog proof, etc etc . I am lucky that my dog isn't interested in the chooks unless they have food that he wants, and in the area that I live we only have to worry about cats ( which the dog scares off before they even have the chance for chicken) and hedgehogs which are quickly delt to.
 

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