The Wyandotte Thread

[DMRippy]

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I am going to look it up too LOL I have chocs and never have breed choc to choc.... just didn't have them.

 

[Junibutt]

I used the choc on choc calculator on kippenjungle.nl and found the following results for Phenotype:

25% chocolate pullets, 25% chocolate cockerels, 12.5% black pullets, 12.5% black cockerels, 12.5% khaki pullets and 12.5% khaki cockerels.

Of course the calculator does not mention what the chicks will look like. I believe there is a lady who specializes in chocolate stuff somewhere in Kansas, she may have an idea. I have forgotten her username though. I think her slogan is something like " ..... scientist"

 

[Lapeerian]

You have it pretty good.  The pullets would be blue and black laced red looking but as brassy as that little roo is not sure you could still sex them.  The roos would have the silver and would be blue and black but would also be brassy. 

I will tell you too that I have read some that bantam genes are SEX LINKED too so all your roos could be bantam and you pullets might be on the larger side. 

I would not make that cross..... for lost of reasons.... first you bantam roo might not be the best mates for LF hens.  Second his color is off and just not the best cross.

Thanks for the info! Being from TSC, I was sure his quality wasn't the best, but also don't know what to look for. I'll have to get a pic of my big GLW boy. He wasn't from hatchery, but not show lines either. He'll stay either way, good to the hens and respectful of people.

 

[DMRippy]

I used the choc on choc calculator on kippenjungle.nl and found the following results for Phenotype:

25% chocolate pullets, 25% chocolate cockerels, 12.5% black pullets, 12.5% black cockerels, 12.5% khaki pullets and 12.5% khaki cockerels.

Of course the calculator does not mention what the chicks will look like. I believe there is a lady who specializes in chocolate stuff somewhere in Kansas, she may have an idea. I have forgotten her username though. I think her slogan is something like " ..... scientist"

Choc breed true so that is not right. Choc also don't produce Khaki or black. I think you used Dun gene in the calculations not the chco gene. They are very different.

 

[LonelyPageTurne]

Choc breed true so that is not right.  Choc also don't produce Khaki or black.   I think you used Dun gene in the calculations not the chco gene. They are very different.

 

[LonelyPageTurne]

"WyandotteTX
They work the same as Blue genetics in other breeds of chickens. When you cross a Dun(Chocolate) against another Dun you will get 50% Dun, 25% Black and another 25% Khaki(Lilac as its been called also). If you cross Dun x Black you will get 50/50 of those two colors. If you cross Dun x Khaki you will get 50/50 of those two colors. If you cross a Black x Khaki you will get 100% Dun.
It is a beautiful color for sure. Us Wyandotte lovers have many thanks to Dr Edgar Petty for creating this breed over many, many years of hard work. I have an article he wrote about how he went about creating it. I talked to Dr Petty several times on the phone and also had many correspondences with him about wyandottes , such an interesting and intelligent man."

 

[LonelyPageTurne]

Sorry last one lol

Do you want information on the Dun ,an allele of Dominant White, as described in the previous post, OR information on the Sex-linked Recessive Chocolate gene?Chocolate  Wyandottes in the US are Dun birds, Chocolate Wyandottes in the UK are Sex-linked Recessive Chocolate.

David

 

[DMRippy]

choc and dun are TWO DIFFERENT GENES! Dun works like blue and you will get black dun and khaki. Choc breeds true but is also sex linked. It is very different to work with than blue or even lavender. The cock(erels) have 2 copies of the choc gene to express it and the pullet/hens only need one. It works more like barring. The pullets will pass the gene off only to cockerels and the roos will pass the genes off to all chicks. You can have cockerels that are split for choc but don't express choc. It is just a totally different mindset when breeding them. I had a pen of blue and black hens covered by a Choc roo. ALL the pullets are choc and all the roos look black or blue but are split for choc. When you breed a Choc pullet x Split roo you will get some choc roos some split roo and some choc pullets and some black pullets (not split)

I don't like dun and don't have any. Mine are all choc. The Choc wyandottes mentioned above would be CHOC too and not dun as I have some from Jerry Foley too.

Male: Female:


chocolate unicolor•E

Help, pick color from list


chocolate unicolor•E

Help, pick color from list



E Extension of black E:
Co Columbia Co:
Db Darkbrown Db:
Pg Pattern gene Pg:
Ml Melanotic Ml:
Cha Charcoal Cha:
Mh Mahogany Mh:
Di Dilute Di:
Ig Inhibitor of Gold Ig:
Cb Champagneblond Cb:
S Silver S:
B Barring B:
Choc Chocolate Choc:
I Dom. White I:
Bl Blue Bl:
Mo Mottling Mo:
C Rec. White C:
Lav Lavender Lav:
Hide Genotypes About Buff About the Pictures Help, other Calculators Henk69.nl
Genotypes:
EE co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- s+- choc-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
chocolate unicolor•E
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EE co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ s+s+ chocchoc
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
chocolate unicolor•E
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings



Phenotypes:
Pullets:
chocolate unicolor•E
Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
Cockerels:
chocolate unicolor•E
Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2

Remarks
•E Extended black, hackle, shoulder and saddle of the males may leak groundcolor (eg red) depending on unknown absent genes.
•Db Unknown amount of Columbian like Restriction. Db more powerful on males.
DF Double Factor. Dosage effect, stronger expression.

 

[LonelyPageTurne]

Ah I see. On that thread they said there weren't any actual chocolate wyandottes in the US

 

[Junibutt]

choc and dun are TWO DIFFERENT GENES! Dun works like blue and you will get black dun and khaki. Choc breeds true but is also sex linked. It is very different to work with than blue or even lavender. The cock(erels) have 2 copies of the choc gene to express it and the pullet/hens only need one. It works more like barring. The pullets will pass the gene off only to cockerels and the roos will pass the genes off to all chicks. You can have cockerels that are split for choc but don't express choc. It is just a totally different mindset when breeding them. I had a pen of blue and black hens covered by a Choc roo. ALL the pullets are choc and all the roos look black or blue but are split for choc. When you breed a Choc pullet x Split roo you will get some choc roos some split roo and some choc pullets and some black pullets (not split)

I don't like dun and don't have any. Mine are all choc. The Choc wyandottes mentioned above would be CHOC too and not dun as I have some from Jerry Foley too.

Male: Female:


chocolate unicolor•E

Help, pick color from list


chocolate unicolor•E

Help, pick color from list



E Extension of black E:
Co Columbia Co:
Db Darkbrown Db:
Pg Pattern gene Pg:
Ml Melanotic Ml:
Cha Charcoal Cha:
Mh Mahogany Mh:
Di Dilute Di:
Ig Inhibitor of Gold Ig:
Cb Champagneblond Cb:
S Silver S:
B Barring B:
Choc Chocolate Choc:
I Dom. White I:
Bl Blue Bl:
Mo Mottling Mo:
C Rec. White C:
Lav Lavender Lav:
Hide Genotypes About Buff About the Pictures Help, other Calculators Henk69.nl
Genotypes:
EE co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- s+- choc-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
chocolate unicolor•E
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EE co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ s+s+ chocchoc
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
chocolate unicolor•E
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings



Phenotypes:
Pullets:
chocolate unicolor•E
Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
Cockerels:
chocolate unicolor•E
Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2

Remarks
•E Extended black, hackle, shoulder and saddle of the males may leak groundcolor (eg red) depending on unknown absent genes.
•Db Unknown amount of Columbian like Restriction. Db more powerful on males.
DF Double Factor. Dosage effect, stronger expression.

That is very informative. So I guess if my eggs have the Chocolate (not Dun) gene, I should expect all Chocolate. However the big question is if the colors will be different on chicks. I will keep my fingers crossed.