The Wyandotte Thread

[Chickenhill]

Your birds definitely are stunning! Is the chocolaty one just dirty or is it a different coloring then the two in the bottom picture? Very pretty birds!

Hi and thank you they are all different birds. The 2 on the top are chocolate Wyandotte bantams. The last 2 are Blue Wyandotte bantams.

The chocolates our main focus has been to put Wyandotte heads on them and stabilize a bantam size. They originated from Jerry Foley who bred a chocolate Orpington Bantam, which is quite large to a black Lundgren line Wyandotte bantam. Jerry did an excellent job of getting the Wyandotte type...The chocolate color does not photograph well. To see them in person gives great appreciation for the work that went into making them.

The blues we have been working on putting the lacing back on them. We crossed a blue roo over a Silver Pencil Wyandotte bantam to get the lacing then crossed these pullets back to a Lundgren line black to get the type back. This year we are breeding blue to blue improve the lacing, even out the blue and clear up leg color. Fun little projects and way more than you probably wanted to know

 

[wyandodo]

Hi and thank you they are all different birds. The 2 on the top are chocolate Wyandotte bantams. The last 2 are Blue Wyandotte bantams.

The chocolates our main focus has been to put Wyandotte heads on them and stabilize a bantam size. They originated from Jerry Foley who bred a chocolate Orpington Bantam, which is quite large to a black Lundgren line Wyandotte bantam. Jerry did an excellent job of getting the Wyandotte type...The chocolate color does not photograph well. To see them in person gives great appreciation for the work that went into making them.

The blues we have been working on putting the lacing back on them. We crossed a blue roo over a Silver Pencil Wyandotte bantam to get the lacing then crossed these pullets back to a Lundgren line black to get the type back. This year we are breeding blue to blue improve the lacing, even out the blue and clear up leg color. Fun little projects and way more than you probably wanted to know

Can't hear enough about these kind of projects

If you have pictures of the different breeding flocks used along the way to get to these stunning blue Wyandotte bantams, I am very interested in seeing them.

One question / remark :
You bred blue x silver pencilled
F1 x black
and now blue x blue (all F2?)

I believe you can't get a genetic lacing at this stage but it's more of an optical lacing.
When you will breed blue to blue this year, you'll make a good chance to get the genetical lacing on the blues.
Very interested in seeing and reading more about this project!

 

[Chickenhill]

Exactly, that is why brother to sister, blue to blue is important at this stage. In the females I can see who express the gene...
I started with 1 blue cockerel and a black lundgren/McCoy hen.
Rooster and pullet the project started with.

2nd cross Male from above parents. Carry's the red color enhancing. Bred to Silver Penciled clear of red gene.



Sorry no photo of the blue female...At this point I did not want to breed brother to sister because my thought was I would have some that were double laced which with the dark blue color it is hard to distinguish between double lacing and smut.as you can see from above this male does have the columbian gene but lacks even 1 gene for the lacing. This was confirmed by crossing the the above 2. If he would have been laced all the female get would be laced. They were not. Maybe I am wrong there and probably should have done more homework...I do not claim to be an expert only a mad scientist.
no pict of blue female
results kept 2 blue females that express the lacing and the columbian. Male, do not have a photo, he does not express the lacing but does the columbian. Potentially he could not even carry the lacing...That's the fun of this year...to see... either way there is not more outcrossing for awhile. I have fresh blood and good type at this point. The males are clear in the legs and show a nice dark yellow...



There is a ton of waste when doing projects but, nice thing is there are loads of people that like the pet females...Suggestions are always welcome

 

[mymilliefleur]

Hi and thank you they are all different birds. The 2 on the top are chocolate Wyandotte bantams. The last 2 are Blue Wyandotte bantams.

The chocolates our main focus has been to put Wyandotte heads on them and stabilize a bantam size. They originated from Jerry Foley who bred a chocolate Orpington Bantam, which is quite large to a black Lundgren line Wyandotte bantam. Jerry did an excellent job of getting the Wyandotte type...The chocolate color does not photograph well. To see them in person gives great appreciation for the work that went into making them.
The blues we have been working on putting the lacing back on them. We crossed a blue roo over a Silver Pencil Wyandotte bantam to get the lacing then crossed these pullets back to a Lundgren line black to get the type back. This year we are breeding blue to blue improve the lacing, even out the blue and clear up leg color. Fun little projects and way more than you probably wanted to know

That's very interesting. I had never heard of the chocolate wyandotte bantams before. Very pretty! It sounds like you are doing a good job with your birds. And yes, you have a lot of cull birds with projects like this, but at least those birds make great layers.

 

[wny egger]

Thank you! Another question , she was in eggs this morning got up to eat and then sat close to her nest letting the others lay. Then she hopped right back on. I'm currently deciding which fertile eggs I will put under her if she goes full broody. The colored eggs blue and green are quite a bit smaller.

sounds like shes full brooding now ..lol mine get down they dont get back up ..another bird will get in there ..i have found they hid the eggs in the straw in the nest sometimes as well ..i wonder if its because i take them from them ..
how old are the birds and or how long have they been laying ..the ones with the smaller eggs ..if they are just coming into laying or havent been laying very long . i am not sure you want those eggs for hatching ..just my opinion ..i would ask others to chime in that would no better then i would ..

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!! I am new to Ohio and BYC...where should I get beautiful Wyandottes?!? I love the fat round bodies and all the different colors! Lavender and lace!!!!

welcome to byc ..as a new chicken person you are going to want to read the chicken math thread ..lol..pretty stunning the birds and feather patterns they get ..who new chickens could be so awesome looking ..i no thats how i feel everytime i see some of these folks birds ..the gold lace and silver lace i thought were great then i see the choclets and blues and my head starts spinning ..lol
you can find the chickens your looking for at hatcherys or breeders ..you'll get bigger birds and higher quality from breeders ..but the hatcherys are still good place to get started from ..or the tractor store in the spring ..good luck ,have fun and enjoy ..

 

[lovenati]

Thank you! And yes! The blue pigeon, the chocolates, even that black that looks green in the sunlight! I'm losing my mind!!! So far I've hooked up with Chicken Hill breeders they seem to have the most beautiful Wyandottes I've seen online

 

[ZoiChick]

Exactly, that is why brother to sister, blue to blue is important at this stage. In the females I can see who express the gene... I started with 1 blue cockerel and a black lundgren/McCoy hen. Rooster and pullet the project started with. 2nd cross Male from above parents. Carry's the red color enhancing. Bred to Silver Penciled clear of red gene. Sorry no photo of the blue female...At this point I did not want to breed brother to sister because my thought was I would have some that were double laced which with the dark blue color it is hard to distinguish between double lacing and smut.as you can see from above this male does have the columbian gene but lacks even 1 gene for the lacing. This was confirmed by crossing the the above 2. If he would have been laced all the female get would be laced. They were not. Maybe I am wrong there and probably should have done more homework...I do not claim to be an expert only a mad scientist. no pict of blue female results kept 2 blue females that express the lacing and the columbian. Male, do not have a photo, he does not express the lacing but does the columbian. Potentially he could not even carry the lacing...That's the fun of this year...to see... either way there is not more outcrossing for awhile. I have fresh blood and good type at this point. The males are clear in the legs and show a nice dark yellow... There is a ton of waste when doing projects but, nice thing is there are loads of people that like the pet females...Suggestions are always welcome

They are beautiful and tempting. They make me want to place another order from you

 

[wyandodo]

@Chickenhill

Very cool to see the individual subjects involved.
As a mad scientist (

) as well, I have another question for you. Why did you prefer to use a silver penciled instead of a silver laced?
Blue rooster x SL hen
F1 blue rooster x SL hen
- Here you make a good chance to get your first blue laced birds
- The 'waste' colors are good looking and rare like the blue laced silver, see pictures underneath (one of my favorite colors)
F2 (blue laced) brother x (blue laced) sister

I hope your blue rooster carries everything that's necessary and I hope for a good hatch!
Keep us posted!

 

[Chickenhill]

@Chickenhill

Very cool to see the individual subjects involved.
As a mad scientist (

) as well, I have another question for you. Why did you prefer to use a silver penciled instead of a silver laced?
Blue rooster x SL hen
F1 blue rooster x SL hen
- Here you make a good chance to get your first blue laced birds
- The 'waste' colors are good looking and rare like the blue laced silver, see pictures underneath (one of my favorite colors)
F2 (blue laced) brother x (blue laced) sister

I hope your blue rooster carries everything that's necessary and I hope for a good hatch!
Keep us posted!

Very nice
Cool thing about it is I have the rest of my life to work on this project...I clearly expect 2 more generations before they are something to write home about. I used a SP because that is what I had on hand. Temperament is very important to us as well as nice birds. The SP was in your face on your lap kind of hen and as suspected it carried through. The blue cockerel was a real jerk...
Waste colors in our project are no different looking than the blues and the blacks on the market today so, are easy to sell and are quite pretty. But we sell as pets only. They lay a good sized small egg which is appealing to folks who have limited backyard space in town. Not sure if you ever saw this picture I posted when someone ask the size difference between a large fowl and a bantam, I included this egg picture. The black Lundgren line lay a large egg for how small they are. This is an attribute import to me to continue... This egg is from a pullet at almost 1.6 oz. A store bought small egg is 1.5oz. Hens will lay on average from 1.6 to 1.7oz. Impressive little cuties. The Lundgren Line is also super sweet and friendly yet hardy free rangers. They come up to you and when you talk to them they chatter back to you. LOL It's a full blown chicken conversation...The chocolates we breed have the same temperaments and egg size. Okay enough blabidy Onto the daily chicken chores. Everyone have a great day!

 

[Chickenhill]

They are beautiful and tempting. They make me want to place another order from you