Time for a gun...help me choose the right one?

[Shawnee_b]

I mentioned "22 first" That would be the one.

Good training, inexpensive to buy and shoot.

It will take care of most pests and many larger predators.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Nice looking cans you have mounted on your rifles.

Thank you. In the past I was an FFL07 manufacturer Class 2 SOT (NFA stuff) and sold cans. Got to keep some of course, demo cans. The 223 can is as quiet as a 22 long. The one ruger with scope also has a 1:9 twist vs 1:16 so it stabilizes SSS aguila 60gr and those are very quiet. Subsonics are pretty quiet, high vel is OK but a woods-line echo and crack (not bad). I shoot them dry so first round has more pop but you can put in some water or gel an get real quiet, even blow in the end for the CO2 quiets them more. If your couple hundred feet away you will hear nothing. Nice and discrete pest elimination.



Presently an 01FFF but going to enew my SOT class 3 in June (fiscal year JUly - July, $500 a year) Then a couple more cans to sell, 1 for my 45acp and a 308 can.

Couple 22 pistoles suppressed.

 

[Shawnee_b]

To clarify on the Marlin model 60 being more accurate than a 10-22, that means straight out of the box.

The Rugers are wonderful rifles, you can customize the heck out of them and very reliable. More drop in parts to customize than any other 22.

The Model 60 is a real bargain though.

The Savage over under mentioned would also be an awesome combo but they are getting very pricy. Baikal in Russia (also makes Makarovs) makes some fine shotguns and they do an over under in all kinds of calibers. Rifle over rifle and rifle over shotgun. Look on gunbroker under Baikal, Izh 94. There is a 22mag over 410 bid is at $170 And a 223 over 12 for $500 but that won't sell easily. 22lr over 410 for $399 also. I've had many, built like tanks and kinda pretty.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/273364000/273364968/pix417725411.jpg

 

[Bullitt]

It would be good if the guy could have one gun that shoots both a shotgun round and a rifle round. I think a 12-guage and maybe .243 would be a great combination, although that might be too much for shooting trapped animals. There is no way around it, there is no one gun that is good for everything.

That Marlin .22 is a very good rifle.

I have an old Remington Targetmaster with a scope. It is single-shot and can shoot short, long, and long-rifle rounds. The shorts are very quiet and would be good for shooting something like a raccoon trapped in a cage. That Targetmaster is a very accurate rifle. The semi-automatic rifles can only shoot the long-rifle rounds.

I wonder if it is possible to make a rifle that could shoot those .22 rounds and shoot a .22 magnum round. That would be very useful.

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

Quote: Why do people always assume others aren't smart enough to only pull the trigger one time, then stop?.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Why do people always assume others aren't smart enough to only pull the trigger one time, then stop?.

Why do others always assume it's an assumption? Go to a range and watch. It's based on observation, law of averages **** it's just too darn fun to rip!

 

[Shawnee_b]

It would be good if the guy could have one gun that shoots both a shotgun round and a rifle round. I think a 12-guage and maybe .243 would be a great combination, although that might be too much for shooting trapped animals. There is no way around it, there is no one gun that is good for everything.

That Marlin .22 is a very good rifle.

I have an old Remington Targetmaster with a scope. It is single-shot and can shoot short, long, and long-rifle rounds. The shorts are very quiet and would be good for shooting something like a raccoon trapped in a cage. That Targetmaster is a very accurate rifle. The semi-automatic rifles can only shoot the long-rifle rounds.

I wonder if it is possible to make a rifle that could shoot those .22 rounds and shoot a .22 magnum round. That would be very useful.

I totally agree Bullit. There is no one gun that will do it all. Shotgun will do many things. Rifle over, shotty under is very close to it though. 243 top and 12 under is nice. 22 top 20 (mod choke) under I'd really enjoy. 22 for pests, small game sitting still,,, the 20 with bird/buck or slug is nice for moving small game with bird or deer with buck/slug. Have to watch the smaller gauges, manufactures tend to tighten up the chokes. Can't shoot slugs out of a full choke and most all 410 are full. I've seen very nice 20 ga savage doubles with mushroomed barrels from slugs. Buck OK.

It's VERY possible to make. You may see a rifle like that in the future and pinging Taurus may do it. They took the judge 45LC/410 and stuck the cylinder in a rifle frame. Now take a 22lr/22m combo pistol (Ruger/Heritage/Taurus) that has interchangeble cylinders and make it into a rifle frame!

Those Rems are a dream. I learned to shoot with a Rem single shot "long tom" model 15 think it was. Single shot, s/l/lr. You even had to cock the bolt. Put alot of meat on the table with that.

 

[Bullitt]

It sounds like your Remington was older than mine.

That .22 and 20-guage combo would be more all-around useful, but then it is lacking for shooting large game, especially at distance. But it would be a better choice for the person who could only have one gun.

My uncle had one of those combo shotgun/rifles. It has been so long I do not remember exactly what it was. I believe it was a 20-gauge shotgun, and it had a rifle round that I can't remember. I think it might have been a .44 magnum. But that wouldn't be my choice for a rifle round.

 

[Shawnee_b]

It sounds like your Remington was older than mine.

That .22 and 20-guage combo would be more all-around useful, but then it is lacking for shooting large game, especially at distance. But it would be a better choice for the person who could only have one gun.

My uncle had one of those combo shotgun/rifles. It has been so long I do not remember exactly what it was. I believe it was a 20-gauge shotgun, and it had a rifle round that I can't remember. I think it might have been a .44 magnum. But that wouldn't be my choice for a rifle round.

It was an old one alright. It was old when my grandfather had it and he's been gone over 60 years. For many years it was all I used so became second nature. I could drop a woodchuck with a head shot at 75 yards, shot 81 for farmers one summer. Take grouse and rabbit heads off. Very fond of that old gun. Unc is 96 and still has it.

Savage made the 22/20 and it was very popular. I had a Springfield scout 22/410 the pilot survival model. Nice gun, but 410 is hard. I rather not chance meat to it but in Trap/skeet and sporting I tossed all 12's, use 20's and am still considering going 28 or 410 for the challenge. Light load bird is 12 ga > 1 1/8, 20ga > 7/8, 28ga > 5/8, 410 1/2oz shot. 410>20 is small increments. If your spot on in form, lead and aim you should be able to center it in the pattern but have to shoot early enough so the pattern is dense. There lies the challenge.

On the combos it's true the 20ga is lacking at any kind of distance with slugs or buck but it's getting better. There are new slugs out now, solid core, some like pellets, monolith I think is one and they tout 150yards think it is. Helps people in states and populated areas limited to shotguns for deer. MA was like that 40 years ago, more followed. Of course nothing going to compare to a centerfire rifle for distance though.

 

[Bullitt]

I am impressed with a shotgun slug that can be used to shoot a deer at 150 yards. I would not even attempt to shoot at something that far away with a shotgun and open sights. I suppose some people put scopes on shotguns, but that seems silly to me. I would just buy a rifle instead of a scope.

When I was a kid we had a .410 shotgun. It was alright for birds and small game. But I think a person is better off getting a 20- or 12-guage shotgun. My grandfather always used a 16-guage, and that was fine, but the ammunition is harder to find and more expensive now than the more common rounds. My father liked the 28-guage for dove and quail.