Tolbunt Cochin Project...anyone interested?

[schmmems]

Could you use AI to fertilize a standard hen with sperm from a mottled bantam?

 

[encorepistol]

won't using a mottled crossed to a gold laced give a large ammount of black birds split for mottling. Thats why the mille fleur color is used from what I understand. The number of chicks having to be hatched to get a gold based bird would be huge.

 

[KellyHM]

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Yes, but then you'd have to breed back up to size.

 

[KellyHM]

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If I understand correctly I believe you would breed the F1s back to the gold laced to get away from so much black.

 

[encorepistol]

it would still result in tons of black chicks that are mottled but no lacing. F1s from the first cross should be bread together then the same for the next years f1s from them. It can be done in 3 generations if everything goes correctly but don't think a black mottled will be the way to go.

 

[tinychicky]

i don't have a lot experience with breeding, but i'd love to try! i do really like tolbunts. i already have a lot of cochin crosses in my flock and i think we could come up with something... i may have to do some research to figure out how exactly breeding lines work, although i think i have a pretty good idea about at least the dominant colors and patterning and the more recessive one. problem is, i'm only fourteen and my mom isn't exactly chicken obsessed like i am!

 

[encorepistol]

If I had some nice mille fleur cochins I could make it pretty easy but going about it a little different. The colors are all there for the cochins to make it but I'd like to do it in a wyandotte and it would take a considerable amount of time to to introduce other breeds into the mix and then breed back to wyandotte type. I've got one project going on at the moment which is going good so far so I may just have to start another!!

 

[muddyhorse]

how do you get mottled cochins, LF ? I have gold laced FL in the bator

 

[KellyHM]

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If you have a better suggestion where to start I'm all ears. I'm just going by what I've read and heard about the Tolbunt Polish. I'd love to hear other ideas too!

 

[encorepistol]

From playing with the calculator and reading the recipe the way to go is gold laced to mille fleur. Black mottled will just make more mottleds ( split in f1) since black would tend to be dominant. You can do it using mottled but the numbers would be unreal plus trying to figure which gold laced were split mottled in F2 would be a chore. Not that it can't be done just seems to be the long way around. Even if mille fleur were introduced through another breed then breed back to the correct body type seems like it would be an easier way to the final result.