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for those attacking the vegetarian idea remember vegetarian lays off meats mostly while keeping dairy items to a minimum

vegan means nothing animal whatsoever

you can do what you want and call yourself what you want anyhow without having to be political about everything :)
 
for those attacking the vegetarian idea remember vegetarian lays off meats mostly while keeping dairy items to a minimum

vegan means nothing animal whatsoever

you can do what you want and call yourself what you want anyhow without having to be political about everything :)


Thank you this is how I feel. It sadly seems like I'm often misunderstood and when I say anything at all people assume I'm a vegetarian or vegan. I am currently trying to eat vegetarian because certain foods really do make me sick like.

It's all crazy though, standing up for certain things like killing birds solely based on their sex don't automatically mean I'm a vegan or that I'm against others eating meat. I guess to me anyway there's a difference between eating eggs, milk, and cheese than eating meat. Ingesting the former does not cause any death perse, now I will admit that these factories do inhumanely mistreat their animals but it's different than actually killing something.
 
There's nothing wrong with eating eggs and cheese, especially if the eggs were not fertilized, I'm not a vegan... I always throw some eggs back for the hens to eat, I only seem to eat the eggs rarely anyway. I don't see it as a food chain as the eggs I do eat are never ever fertile, I don't abort my eggs. Again I'm not against eating meat perse but I am against killing birds just because they were born a rooster, and for other silly aesthetic reasons. I know that's hard to grasp and I know that makes me not well liked I get it, but that's just how I feel. I know I more than likely won't change anyone's mind, but I do hope that I could at least make one consider rehousing their Roos that they don't intend to eat or whatever.

Being against culling for certain reasons does not automatically mean I'm for PETA, a vegetarian, or a vegan whatsoever, even though I probably will go back to being a vegetarian because I get truly ill when I eat certain things with Gmos and msgs. Anyway if one culls for meat I'm not necessarily against that, but like the Indians I believe in taking what one can eat and nothing more, many individuals don't do that they go cull happy and kill off chickens just because they were born a rooster, they're sick, or they're feather plucked which is absolutely silly in my opinion. I can maybe understand one or two chickens placed in the freezer but no more than that sorry.

I can't ever cease from recommending keeping chickens and other birds as pets that's just how I am, I never mean to offend anyone, and I don't go in the meat bird forum section because I'm not here to start anything, but in other areas I do feel like I have the right to say something as long as I do so kindly. Again I'm not necessarily against eating meat, but I do think people cull way more than they should. With this last storm here I had a few of the younger geese get weak like even though they were in a chicken tractor, sadly they more than likely would have been culled by someone else, but not here - not ever - I let nature take its course, I Doctor them up and pray, they're all okay, I only had one casualty sadly and he died in the night. I also had a hen get attacked by one of our dogs, she had a literal hole in her back, I had to stitch her up and I'm still doctoring her, I didn't think she'd make it honestly but I prayed and remained hopeful, and here she is now doing fine living inside in the lap of luxury. Sadly she too would have been more than likely culled, see it's easy for some people to just give up, but it's a lot harder to cling to hope, love, and faith and do the right thing. Compassion and love is the most beautiful thing, without it we are nothing, but sadly in today's world it is getting more and more scarce.

Ps. I don't drink milk, I do almond or cashew milk.

We just culled out favorite hen. We found her with a severely swollen head. Hearing we culled her probably makes us sound heartless but I believe letting her live would have been heartless. This bird had been to hell and back in the last few months starting with a hawk attack. She was a little silkie and she didn't deserve to be doctored again just because she "might" be okay. She deserved to be able to stop fighting so hard time free time after time.

Your idea of "love" is just different than others. To me, letting an animal suffer and calling it love is cruel. A person does that for themselves, not the critter.

I remember reading that botched butcher story years ago. I thought it was one of the most cruel, inhumane things I'd ever heard. A good person would have quickly swung that axe again and ended it.

We will be butchering our own chickens for the VERY reason you said "isn't" valid. Because I feel that for MY family, if we can eat meat we should be able to kill it ourselves. I don't like it but I can't give money to these companies that are abusing these animals anymore.

If you can buy that meat and eat it yet judge people on here that take really good care of their chickens.....well you're placing your frustrations on the wrong people.
 
There is something rotten in the State of Denmark.

It is IMHO cruel in the extreme to confine multiple roosters of varying ages, sizes, athletic ability and sexual appetites in one coop or pen..

Roosters are roosters and they will never be boy scouts or help little old ladies cross the street..

I can not imagine the violence, sexual attacks, fighting, pecking, flogging mess that a rooster pen containing a few dozen cockerels would become.

Try it yourself with a bachelor pen of only 12 roosters of differing ages, and sizes, then report back to us about how well these bad boys get along.

Of course it can be done on a limited basis but only in the absence of hens.
 
We just culled out favorite hen. We found her with a severely swollen head. Hearing we culled her probably makes us sound heartless but I believe letting her live would have been heartless. This bird had been to hell and back in the last few months starting with a hawk attack. She was a little silkie and she didn't deserve to be doctored again just because she "might" be okay. She deserved to be able to stop fighting so hard time free time after time.

Your idea of "love" is just different than others. To me, letting an animal suffer and calling it love is cruel. A person does that for themselves, not the critter.

I remember reading that botched butcher story years ago. I thought it was one of the most cruel, inhumane things I'd ever heard. A good person would have quickly swung that axe again and ended it.

We will be butchering our own chickens for the VERY reason you said "isn't" valid. Because I feel that for MY family, if we can eat meat we should be able to kill it ourselves. I don't like it but I can't give money to these companies that are abusing these animals anymore.

If you can buy that meat and eat it yet judge people on here that take really good care of their chickens.....well you're placing your frustrations on the wrong people.

While I am truly sorry that happened, I have to respectfully disagree, she could have been doctored again and she may have survived and thrived, but we shall never know because she was culled and I am not claiming that was easy, but culling under any circumstance is something I could never ever do. I would hold them and comfort them, perhaps give them pain pills that birds can take, sing to them lightly, and pray, let them know it's okay and that if they cannot hold on it's not selfish to let go.

I know my idea of love is different I can quickly tell that it's different, but sometimes it's a good thing to be different... I have spent my whole life wondering what's wrong with me, why am I different? why do people misunderstand me? until it hit me that I don't want to be like everyone else, I don't want to fit in, I like me just the way I am. As for letting an animal suffer - who says they're suffering? how does one even know that? who really has the right to decide who lives and who dies? it's like euthanasia people telling other people who gets to live and who dies and at the end of the day nobody has that right, everyone including animals has the right to live their lives until they die of natural causes or in the case of animals that are truly needed for meat, not killed solely based on their sex. Euthanasia is not death with dignity but instead it's a slippery slope. Birds and animals in general are a lot like humans they have an amazing will to survive because that's how God made us, He made us to survive until our time is up, and nobody has the right to make that choice but the person and the animal.

As for eating meat I never ever said I was against eating meat whatsoever, that was an assumption made by many here which I am honestly used to... and I stand by what I said butchering a bird because it's a rooster is not a valid reason, I could understand culling one for meat even though it's not something I would personally do but to each their own, but to cull a bird because it's a roo is utterly silly and selfish. As for those companies I agree they typically do abuse their animals and I absolutely do NOT condone that, I never said I did, again that's another assumption. At the end of the day what's so different about them and the people here that say they kill roos because they were born a male and not a female? There really isn't much of a difference is there? As for me buying meat and eating meat; what does that have to do with anything? again you and many others are assuming I am against eating meat, no I am not against eating meat, I am against individuals killing birds because they're roos, and for aesthetic reasons like plucked looking feathers and so forth.

I have no frustrations, it's more like me feeling appalled at how heartless humanity can be, they talk like culling is easy yet when questioned they get defensive and claim how it was so hard to put the animal down... that's contradictory, just like how you said your bird was suffering and you hated to do it, yet in another sentence you claim you cull other birds for reasons I claimed were not valid reasons. I just cannot fathom why people do it - cull roosters because they're a rooster, that is all... it's strange how forums have these cliques and Heaven forbid one goes against the grain they get attacked. I stated how I felt and BOOM everyone assumed I was either for PETA, a Vegan, or a Vegetarian... to which I owe no explanation really because what I am is my business. In fact there is a difference between those 3 things, PETA kills more animals than they help, Vegetarians consume eggs - milk - and cheese, whereas Vegans abstain from not only meat but all animal byproducts, and for the record consuming animal byproducts is different than slaughtering an animal. Many here has questioned me on whether I drink milk, eat cheese / eggs saying that I must somehow support these industries if I do, that is an absolutely crazy thing to say because it has no truth to it. Another odd thing noted is that when I said how I felt I never attacked anyone I just stated how I felt and many got offended and told me to go elsewhere, who has the right to tell me where to go just because I think differently? nobody. Another thing is; first everyone assumed I was either for PETA, Vegetarian, or a Vegan, then when I replied to that everyone clamored in and went with the whole oh if you eat eggs, milk, or cheese then you must be supporting these evil companies that abuse these animals, it's all just a silly attack and argument to put someone like me down who just so happens to think differently, I get told to leave for having a different opinion but it's okay for everyone to continuously ask me silly questions, flame me, goad me, and then when I reply all I hear is you need to leave nobody agrees with you, yada yada when the fact is at least 2 people maybe even 3 people has agreed with half if not all of what I said. At any rate the individuals who said nobody agrees with me are indeed wrong, there is other people out there like me, people that have compassion, they have a backbone, and they don't mind speaking their mind even under opposition and persecution.

I don't go to the meat section telling everyone to stop eating meat, but instead I did go to other sections telling people to give some birds a chance mainly the roosters because they have a lot of love to give - again this has nothing to do with birds being slaughtered for meat, but it has everything to do with birds that are killed for silly reasons. All I did was post saying how I felt on the subject of allegedly having too many roos, I honestly don't think there is such a thing as too many roos perse' and if one feels that way perhaps they should not be breeding their hens especially if they intend to cull the roosters, because I know with firsthand experience that most hatches end up being roos. I have done my research and I have seen these companies and even local farmers cull birds as soon as they're sexed a roo, and it's terribly wicked. If the world was flipped and it was us being culled which I believe can happen in fact it already does happen in certain countries I will not name, anyway Heaven forbid the boys or hey the girls could be culled because so and so wanted this sex over that sex. I am sorry If you and others cannot see how ridiculous that is, but I see it, and just because the majority / mob rules does not mean the ruling is right.

It makes no sense to attack someone, then try to silence them, and under the same breath goad them into a reply... it's contradictory, hypocritical, and silly. If one does not like what another person says scroll down. I don't comment under someone unless replied to, unless it's a topic and topics are for discussions are they not? So if one makes a topic I feel I have the right to state my opinion, if one does not like that opinion oh well but from now on I will no longer be defending my opinions because quite frankly I again owe nobody an explanation, all explaining seems to do is cause trouble, because people love to goad and harass anyone different in hopes of getting them banned.

I think before one attacks another person that believes the way that I do they should first make sure they do not contradict themselves first, because one cannot claim to feel saddened about culling their birds while claiming they cull the other birds for silly reasons, which is one huge contradiction, what makes one bird better than the other? What makes an elderly person with little money turned away from the hospital somehow worse than a young person with wealth who is welcomed in? Forgive me for also laying this question out there, who has the right to decide who suffers and who does not? look at Terry Shiavo (again I know there's a difference between animals and humans - even though people wrongly assume we're animals until an argument over morals like this arises *chuckle* ) anyway she was starved for 13 days I believe - correct me if I am wrong, but nobody had the right to make that decision for her. At any rate I will not go on about that, I wouldn't want what I said to cause the whole topic to be derailed, but I do hope someone here gets where I was trying to go / get at. I guess what I am trying to say is, yes I hate to see any animal suffer, but I know that they struggle to survive, and the ones that cannot hold on any longer will ultimately cease to exist on this Earth, but there are some who will fight for as long as they can, some even go the distance and pull through, but we will never know that unless we give them a fighting chance. If something happened to me I would want the right to fight, I could careless how bad it appeared that I was suffering, because I am a fighter, I know this world has it's downs and stuff, but for every down there is an up! for every storm there is the sun! pain may endure for a night but joy comes in the morning! love can keep us alive!
 
​ While I am truly sorry that happened, I have to respectfully disagree, she could have been doctored again and she may have survived and thrived, but we shall never know because she was culled and I am not claiming that was easy, but culling under any circumstance is something I could never ever do.
I don't have time to read all of that right now. All I'll say is that for me, if you could "never" put an animal down for "any" reason, I don't believe you should be an animal owner.

Nothing against you personally. Just that part of taking that resonsibility on is being able to do the right thing even if it's hard.

And honestly I can't even comment on anything that is comparing animals and humans. I just can't.
 
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I figured you would say that, when one cannot win a debate they either resort to personal attacks or they claim they cannot read the wall of text, yet oddly they expect others to read theirs... I read yours, if you do not want to read mine that's okay I could honestly careless. As for me comparing humans to animals; what's so wrong with that? science claims we are animals right? most people claim we are as well, well that's at least until something like this arises then they spout off how animals and humans are not comparable... at any rate, we may be different but we are a lot a like, it's proven animals do indeed feel pain just like us humans. See for instance look at fish, many would say ehhh it's just a fish - a stupid ol fish if it dies let's flush it and get another, yet they fail to realize that fish is highly intelligent. It's been proven now that fish have feelings, emotions, and they can have compassion, in a recent research a fish kept helping another sick fish to the top to get the food because the other deformed fish could not quite reach the food up top so the healthy fish would butt into him until the deformed fish could get to the food, he did this for every feeding time... but of course someone here will probably object and say they don't believe that just like they objected when I mentioned Mike the headless chicken, to which I say: again I could honestly careless...

PS. Please don't come back with a silly reply if you cannot read anything I said, and don't worry I don't take it personal, as I really don't care what others say - think - or do, I will continue saying how I feel on the matter no matter what.
 
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​ I figured you would say that, when one cannot win a debate they either resort to personal attacks or they claim they cannot read the wall of text, yet oddly they expect others to read theirs... I read yours, if you do not want to read mine that's okay I could honestly careless. As for me comparing humans to animals; what's so wrong with that? science claims we are animals right? most people claim we are as well, well that's at least until something like this arises then they spout off how animals and humans are not comparable... at any rate, we may be different but we are a lot a like, it's proven animals do indeed feel pain just like us humans. See for instance look at fish, many would say ehhh it's just a fish - a stupid ol fish if it dies let's flush it and get another, yet they fail to realize that fish is highly intelligent. It's been proven now that fish have feelings, emotions, and they can have compassion, in a recent research a fish kept helping another sick fish to the top to get the food because the other deformed fish could not quite reach the food up top so the healthy fish would butt into him until the deformed fish could get to the food, he did this for every feeding time... but of course someone here will probably object and say they don't believe that just like they objected when I mentioned Mike the headless chicken, to which I say: again I could honestly careless...

 PS. Please don't come back with a silly reply if you cannot read anything I said, and don't worry I don't take it personal, as I really don't care what others say - think - or do, I will continue saying how I feel on the matter no matter what.
Honestly, the only personal attacks just came from you. I couldn't read your whole post because it was super long but my response was short because I have no urge to fight with a random stranger on the internet. It's easy to assume a thousand things about someone from a few written words on here and it's something I try not to do. You sound like a woman with a huge heart and a great love of animals and that's amazing. You should just be wary of assuming your love is better because it's different than someone elses. You're jumping on me for things that I never even commented on because you're riled up. Anyway, have a great night. Seriously!!
 
I figured you would say that, when one cannot win a debate they either resort to personal attacks or they claim they cannot read the wall of text, yet oddly they expect others to read theirs... I read yours, if you do not want to read mine that's okay I could honestly careless. As for me comparing humans to animals; what's so wrong with that? science claims we are animals right? most people claim we are as well, well that's at least until something like this arises then they spout off how animals and humans are not comparable... at any rate, we may be different but we are a lot a like, it's proven animals do indeed feel pain just like us humans. See for instance look at fish, many would say ehhh it's just a fish - a stupid ol fish if it dies let's flush it and get another, yet they fail to realize that fish is highly intelligent. It's been proven now that fish have feelings, emotions, and they can have compassion, in a recent research a fish kept helping another sick fish to the top to get the food because the other deformed fish could not quite reach the food up top so the healthy fish would butt into him until the deformed fish could get to the food, he did this for every feeding time... but of course someone here will probably object and say they don't believe that just like they objected when I mentioned Mike the headless chicken, to which I say: again I could honestly careless...

PS. Please don't come back with a silly reply if you cannot read anything I said, and don't worry I don't take it personal, as I really don't care what others say - think - or do, I will continue saying how I feel on the matter no matter what.
Stop belittling other people's decisions when it comes to flock management by saying 'it's a silly reason', and other remarks. You have your opinion on what is right. Other people have theirs. Enough. Just because someone makes different decisions for their flock than you would, does not make those decisions wrong.
 
@Eckielady I mean this with all due respect, so forgive me if it sounds rude because I absolutely do have no intentions on making this sound rude but last I checked you jumped onto me first...

@junebuggena I never belittled anyone whatsoever. I stated how I felt and that's that, and I will continue to do so (state my opinion) - and you're absolutely right we all have our own opinions, as many have freely expressed theirs I will in turn continue to express mine. My opinions have not changed whatsoever, I will continue to believe and openly state that I believe killing a bird because it's a male is wrong, and that is my opinion. Again telling someone to not comment because they have a different opinion is silly, who gets the right to tell someone to leave all because they believe differently? Last I checked I never posted to cause any drama / issues, all I did was say how I felt and of course people took an issue with that, I am sorry they did but I stand by what I said / say. The mob / majority may think they rule, but I don't really care, I am not the type to go and hide in a corner, persecution don't bother me any, I stand bravely in the face of such things.

As for everyone else, if anyone else has a problem with how I feel I am truly sorry, but please do not harass or goad me, and then turn around and tell me to keep quite or leave, because again that's very hypocritical and contradictory. This is a topic, I have the right to post here just like everyone else and I will continue to do so. I am sorry if what I said offended anyone or will offend someone in the future but I cannot in good conscious retract any of what I said, I continue to stand by and agree that killing a bird based on it's sex and appearances is immoral and quite selfish. If one wants to kill them for meat alright I can understand that, and perhaps I could possibly understand putting them out of their misery even though I tend to disagree, anyhoo as for any other reasons I am sorry I just cannot fathom it or even agree with it / condone it. Sorry.
 
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