Mine do not a have a confidence issue. Rather, they have a learning curve to go through even when components are hardwired by instinct as practice makes for better performance later. The clumsiness of their "aggression" comes from the mental software not being set. In some ways the aggression may be a mechanism that promotes dispersal from natal group (when that was an option in wild fowl) and an enabler for young males engaging in cuckoldry where very brief bouts of aggression make the covering of an unwilling female more likely.
Great question on clarity, though this may not be quite the place in the chicken forums;
the "we" refers to first world nations who interpret other cultures "primitive" ways (all in judgments based off what are most likely western values) which dictate that women are subordinate in cultures where they are less educated. Rural parts of India is a great example I used regarding child brides, there is international work being done to reach these young women, educate them, and bring their standard of living up to prevent more child brides. Though it is now illegal in India to marry off under age women, the custom persists due to other social expectations placed on families, usually in poorer, less educated parts of the country. I used a lot of quotations in my original post to allude to the fact that western ways are projected onto other cultures often interpreting the cultural situations as "primitive" or "uneducated" to begin with. For the birds, there is no ability to educate and empower, so the anthropomorphizing around their feelings is really about our own human emotions, not what the bird is actually experiencing.
So, I get you point about child brides, which we have examples of in cultures here as well.
Great question on clarity, though this may not be quite the place in the chicken forums;
the "we" refers to first world nations who interpret other cultures "primitive" ways (all in judgments based off what are most likely western values) which dictate that women are subordinate in cultures where they are less educated. Rural parts of India is a great example I used regarding child brides, there is international work being done to reach these young women, educate them, and bring their standard of living up to prevent more child brides. Though it is now illegal in India to marry off under age women, the custom persists due to other social expectations placed on families, usually in poorer, less educated parts of the country. I used a lot of quotations in my original post to allude to the fact that western ways are projected onto other cultures often interpreting the cultural situations as "primitive" or "uneducated" to begin with. For the birds, there is no ability to educate and empower, so the anthropomorphizing around their feelings is really about our own human emotions, not what the bird is actually experiencing.
Ok. This may not be the place. Do you wish to go private? What "International Work," please? I hope you dont refer to the
UN? Of course we have child brides here in US too, which can be considered better situation than child slave labor, but not good practice non the less.
At any rate, here we have the "A" word again. This thread is amusing. You dont care for the R word, I dont care for the "A" word.
To empower young women in these types of cultures, I highly suspect the way is thru ongoing financial support. I think the young brides have sizable dowries, and the majority if reasons why it is cultural problem is because of extreme poverty. But I could be wrong.
Now, about the birds........I' m sorry but I dont think I mentioned the females feelngs.Again, could be wrong. I think alot of discussion was aout the male's behavior, and ways to educate him, if he needed it, about who is top bird. And again, if someone does anthromorphize, i n my book, so what? If the chicken HAS feelngs, is that term no longer appropriate? We dont KNOW if animals have feelings, and again, research is turning conventional views on this subject on its head. During a discussion on this subject, some might say "Animals dont have feelings, proove it!" My reply is to proove they dont. Mankind always puts himself in such an elevated position. Animals cant have feelings, its their habitat till I build my house on it. After that its mine, and if animal trespasses, shoot it! With yhe current world in this state, I minimize our importance and maximize theirs. After all, they did not bring World to this undesirable situation.
As far as my feelings, I feel that I dont want conflict for any reason. If it were two girls fighting over a bug, that looked like aggression that may hurt someone, I still would not want that behavior either.
I'm starting to think you thought I had some sorr of "feeling" because I used rape. Again, which has a different definition to me and dictionary: basically sex against someones will. So while I would want it to stop, its not stop to give a chicken psychological counseling.
Now let me ask: if a working military dog is retired because of percieved stress leading to PTSD, does that also mean the military is anthropomorphizing?
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