Topic of the Week - Chicken Myths, True or False?

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How about ducklings and medicated feed? People keep telling others that ducklings can't have medicated feed, yet no one can say why.

Edited to add:
Metzer Farms, Purina, and Stoery's Guide to Raising Ducks say it's safe.
Metzer Farms - Medicated feed and ducks:
http://metzerfarms.blogspot.com/2011/11/can-medicated-feed-be-used-for.html
"Wednesday, November 30, 2011 Can Medicated Feed Be Used for Waterfowl?

Can medicated feed be given to ducks and geese? Many people say No. I will explain why I feel the answer is Yes.

First of all, there are four drugs (medicines) that are approved by the USDA for the use in ducks. These have been used successfully for years to control a variety of waterfowl diseases. They are Chlorotetracycline, Neomycin, Novobiocin and Rofenaid.


The bigger concern, however, is sacked feed sold at your local feed store. Some of these sacked feeds (especially starter feeds) have medications in them to control coccidiosis. Coccidiosis is an internal protozoa parasite that can harm chickens, turkeys, game birds and occasionally waterfowl. As coccidiosis is a common problem, and most people have chickens, the feed manufacturers will often include medication in starter feed to better control this disease. But what about waterfowl? Will it harm them?

We have contacted all the feed mills that we could find that make sacked poultry feed in the US. From material they have sent us or from their website, we have learned that these 29 mills make 59 different starter feeds for chickens, waterfowl and game birds. Of these 59 starter feeds, 19 have a medication in them to control coccidiosis.

Four drugs are used. Fifteen of the feeds contain Amprolium, 1 has Monensin, 1 has Lasolocid and 1 has BMD (Bacitracin methylene disalicylate).

To investigate this further, I asked for the assistance of Dr. Larry McDougal of the University of Georgia and Dr. Alison Martin of the Livestock Conservancy. Both of these individuals have done extensive work with coccidiosis. They found research that had been done here in the United States and abroad on the effect of these four drugs on waterfowl. As Dr. McDougal said “Not one of these papers described any harmful effects to waterfowl except where the normal dosage was significantly overdosed.”

Many of you have heard of Dave Holderread, of Holderread’s Waterfowl Farm in Oregon. Dave is an expert on waterfowl and an ultimate waterfowl breeder. He conducted research on coccidiostats with Oregon State University in 1982 (1). His paper states “Frequently publications pertaining to waterfowl state that medicated feeds should not be fed to ducklings and goslings. In some localities, producers and hobbyists who raise a small number of ducklings and goslings can only purchase medicated chick, turkey or game bird starter and grower feeds. Because of the lack of documented information on this subject and the numerous requests for advice on this matter, anticoccidial drugs zoalene, sulfaquinoxaline and amprolium were mixed in mash feed and fed to ducks up to four weeks of age.”

His conclusion was “From this experiment, it appears that sulfaquinoxaline, zoalene, or amprolium at the manufacturers' use levels for chickens and turkeys did not cause mortality, stunted growth or cripples when fed to Khaki Campbellducklings to 4 weeks of age."

Therefore, it appears research shows these drugs do not harm waterfowl if used at the rates commonly used with chickens and turkeys.

Have there been coccidiostats used in the past that were harmful to waterfowl? Probably and that is why the myth began. But those drugs are no longer allowed or no longer used in the United States.

What if you have the choice of medicated or non-medicated starter feed of equal nutritional value? My recommendation would be to use the non-medicated feed. There is no point in feeding medication when it is not needed.

HOWEVER, if the choice is nutritionally correct medicated starter feed (20%+ protein) or non-medicated feed that does not meet the nutritional needs of the ducklings and goslings, I would definitely recommend the nutritionally correct, medicated starter feed. Research shows the medication will not harm the waterfowl.

(1) Holderread, D., Nakaue, H.S., Arscott, G.H. 1983 Poultry Science 62:1125-1127"
 
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How about ducklings and medicated feed? People keep telling others that ducklings can't have medicated feed, yet no one can say why.
Medicated chick starter usually contains amprolium, which is a thiamine blocker. Waterfowl babies have a higher need for thiamine than chicks, so feeding them medicated chick starter may result in a thiamine deficiency, which can lead to problems such as stunted growth, lameness, bowed legs and swollen joints.
 
I had an old timer tell me a few different things, but one that's stuck out to me is him telling me that when a hen starts sitting eggs, if it thunderstorms in the beginning, the eggs won't hatch.

Sure enough, only one egg out of 9 hatched after a thunderstorm when my hen first started sitting.

I know it's just coincidence, but old timers and their tips and tricks are usually pretty valuable.
 
I had an old timer tell me a few different things, but one that's stuck out to me is him telling me that when a hen starts sitting eggs, if it thunderstorms in the beginning, the eggs won't hatch.

Sure enough, only one egg out of 9 hatched after a thunderstorm when my hen first started sitting.

I know it's just coincidence, but old timers and their tips and tricks are usually pretty valuable.
Interesting, now you mention it, a friend of mine a few years ago told me he had an incubator hatch fail completely (more than 30 eggs set) when he had a thunderstorm pass during incubation. He said the eggs were partially black inside when he opened them :confused: No power outages, or fluctuations during the storm. The incubator was in his secure barn at the time. I could not find an explanation for that at the time.
 
Rice at weddings.
Don't throw rice at weddings, birds will eat it and their insides will swell up and they will die!
Some people take this a step further and say no rice to chickens either for the same reason.
Folks, birds can regurgitate. They will not die from having too much swollen food inside them, they will just throw it back up. Same with throwing pepcids or tums at seagulls. There will be no exploding birds.
I had 15lbs of rice get infested with house moths. My birds loved it and they are distinctly not exploded, thanks.
 
Rice at weddings.
Don't throw rice at weddings, birds will eat it and their insides will swell up and they will die!
Some people take this a step further and say no rice to chickens either for the same reason.
Folks, birds can regurgitate. They will not die from having too much swollen food inside them, they will just throw it back up. Same with throwing pepcids or tums at seagulls. There will be no exploding birds.
I had 15lbs of rice get infested with house moths. My birds loved it and they are distinctly not exploded, thanks.
That's a funny myth! This is what Snopes says about it:
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/birdrice.asp
 
Interesting, now you mention it, a friend of mine a few years ago told me he had an incubator hatch fail completely (more than 30 eggs set) when he had a thunderstorm pass during incubation. He said the eggs were partially black inside when he opened them :confused: No power outages, or fluctuations during the storm. The incubator was in his secure barn at the time. I could not find an explanation for that at the time.

Oh wow! I wonder if it's true, then. I had a few develop but they died during the incubation period, and the others just never developed at all. I might have to ask him for any more tips and share what we'd consider myths or just farmer's tales.
 
Rice at weddings.
Don't throw rice at weddings, birds will eat it and their insides will swell up and they will die!
Some people take this a step further and say no rice to chickens either for the same reason.
Folks, birds can regurgitate. They will not die from having too much swollen food inside them, they will just throw it back up. Same with throwing pepcids or tums at seagulls. There will be no exploding birds.
I had 15lbs of rice get infested with house moths. My birds loved it and they are distinctly not exploded, thanks.
I guess they never heard of that one in Asia where rice is a commonly used grain in poultry feeds. :rolleyes:
 
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