Two questions for gun control people

[bakerjw]

Well you have to ask how many armed agents work under the DHS. They have 7 sub agencies the customs and border protection, Immigration services, U.S. coast guard, FEMA, Secret Service, TSA, Federal law Enforcement Training Center.
Then you have to figure how many rounds does each agent need to practice and stay qualified each quarter ? Also how many replacement agents will they need each year and how many rounds will it take to get them proficient to be qualified ? Most of the contracts for all that ammo are filled over a 3 to 5 year period. Most agents will have to be trained and qualified on more then one type of weapon. 99.9% of the ammo they buy will be fired in practice and qualifying.

So when you look at it that way is that really a lot of ammo ?

I'll bet there are more DHS armed agents then the Army has in Afghanistan.

There are supposedly 200,000 people employed in DHS. I would highly doubt that even half of them practice on a regular basis. For practice, you use cheap ammunition. Not expensive hollow points which they contracted 750,000,000 over 5 years. Even with the figures of 1 billion rounds. That works out to 5,000 per employee. No agency practices that much, not even military.

 

[thaiturkey]

Just to add. If you see a shadow in a hallway at night 20 feet away, You have a much better chance at hitting the center mass with a shotgun with a straight bore than you do a handgun. The farther away, the greater chance of a hit as the pattern opens up. That's my reason for shotguns.

Glad I could be of some assistance.

Thanks, that's interesting. I'd worry about my walls, though.

Just thinking that through, a handgun is easier to pick up and use indoors, is it not? My aim with a handgun is good but, with the adrenalin rush that might accompany an emergency, it might not be good enough. On the other hand, the sound of the slide and the sight of a shotgun might be sufficient.

What about loading? I don't keep the handgun loaded but have a quick-loading carrier fully stocked. The same would be the case with a shotgun - it would not be loaded. That wouldn't be a problem if I heard an attempt to break through the security screens but, once they were in, I would have little time to load. Perhaps a bit of yelling from Mrs. TT would give me the time I needed. I know it stops me in my tracks!

 

[Matthew3590]

Bird shot would the best ammo for your shotgun it will stick In a wall but not go through. I don't know what the terminology for a shot gun is but it would be advised to have the shells already in the gun just not pumped.

 

[hemet dennis]

Quote: Most of there employes are armed agents. Everyone of them has to requalify every quarter (3 months). The Government doesn't buy cheep ammo for practice (why should they save, it's your money not theirs)
The 5 year contract is for a MAXIMUM of 750,000,000 rounds. They didn't get all those rounds and put them in a warehouse. As they run low they reorder from the seller to send another truck load.
As far as practicing they do so more then others because they don't have to pay for it. Also their training centers use up a butt load of ammo.
The Government also doesn't plan for the best case they have to plan for the bad of the baddest case. You never know the may have to shoot a few million people.

 

[thaiturkey]

Bird shot would the best ammo for your shotgun it will stick In a wall but not go through. I don't know what the terminology for a shot gun is but it would be advised to have the shells already in the gun just not pumped.

Bird shot seems like a good option provided that it also does the intended job. I suppose that an intruder with blood all over his face and torso would conclude that it had.

All of our walls, interior and exterior, are concrete and steel so full penetration isn't a fear. Missing chunks and blood all over the place would freak out the Mrs. I want to avoid causing death if possible because the belief in ghosts is prevalent here.

Loaded but not pumped seems like a fair compromise. A loaded revolver with the chamber open might too.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

The Government also doesn't plan for the best case they have to plan for the bad of the baddest case. You never know the may have to shoot a few million people.

I think that is what is worrying people...

 

[hemet dennis]

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Don't worry they just shoot the ones that don't comply.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Um...

 

[cassie]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... some say the idiots should not be allowed to reproduce. I respect your opinion on the matter though.

Sometimes, but not often enough, that happens. Some years ago, one idiot in Turlock, CA, near where I used to live, tried to rob a gas station or mini mart and put a pistol in his pants to hide it from the cops. It went off. According to the EMT's, he suffered "an explosive amputation" but was otherwise uninjured. He won't be reproducing.

Gun control is not something I am passionate about one way or the other. The big problem I have with it is that the politicans end up passing a bunch of feel good laws that don't address the problem and make a bad situation worse. The gang bangers and other bad guys are going to find a way to get guns. Depriving honest citizens of a means to self defense is counter productive and doesn't make anyone safer. Except the crooks.

 

[chickened]

Sometimes, but not often enough, that happens. Some years ago, one idiot in Turlock, CA, near where I used to live, tried to rob a gas station or mini mart and put a pistol in his pants to hide it from the cops. It went off. According to the EMT's, he suffered "an explosive amputation" but was otherwise uninjured. He won't be reproducing.

Gun control is not something I am passionate about one way or the other. The big problem I have with it is that the politicans end up passing a bunch of feel good laws that don't address the problem and make a bad situation worse. The gang bangers and other bad guys are going to find a way to get guns. Depriving honest citizens of a means to self defense is counter productive and doesn't make anyone safer. Except the crooks.

You and think alike, lol. Too bad for the crook... well not really...