Two questions for gun control people

[cupman]

Again, hemet dennis, you are flirting with the boundaries of a fallacy. You're comparing automobile accidents with intentional homicide. Cars are also much more common than guns. My cousin is a staunch gun rights guy and he has all the permits to carry but he even admits he does not carry his weapon everywhere he goes. He does drive his car just about everywhere he goes. If we are going to compare cars to guns you should realize exactly how much regulation is required to drive a car versus how little is required to obtain a firearm.

 

[OldGuy43]

In the United States in 2010, the rate of firearm deaths was 10 people per 100,000, while for traffic accidents it was 12 per 100,000. We need to outlaw cars before we outlaw guns.

Remember, no one wants to make illegal that which he wants to do.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Again, hemet dennis, you are flirting with the boundaries of a fallacy. You're comparing automobile accidents with intentional homicide. Cars are also much more common than guns. My cousin is a staunch gun rights guy and he has all the permits to carry but he even admits he does not carry his weapon everywhere he goes. He does drive his car just about everywhere he goes. If we are going to compare cars to guns you should realize exactly how much regulation is required to drive a car versus how little is required to obtain a firearm.

Both rates of death count intentional an unintentional. Also owning a car is not regulated. Taking it out in public is. Same with guns. But I have to do a background check to buy a gun an another to get my carry license.

 

[cupman]

We just gotta disagree on that one, rebelcowboysnb. I don't think you can compare automobile accidents with intentional murder. A silly mistake or an icy turn can be all it takes to die in a car... to die by a gun you are in a much more extreme situation.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

We just gotta disagree on that one, rebelcowboysnb. I don't think you can compare automobile accidents with intentional murder. A silly mistake or an icy turn can be all it takes to die in a car... to die by a gun you are in a much more extreme situation.

There you go again. "accidents with intentional" Both are in both sets of numbers. You are trying to say every death by car is a accident an every death by a gun is intentional. The numbers for automotive deaths are both accidents and intentional an the numbers for gun deaths are both accidents and intentional.

 

[hemet dennis]

Again, hemet dennis, you are flirting with the boundaries of a fallacy. You're comparing automobile accidents with intentional homicide. Cars are also much more common than guns. My cousin is a staunch gun rights guy and he has all the permits to carry but he even admits he does not carry his weapon everywhere he goes. He does drive his car just about everywhere he goes. If we are going to compare cars to guns you should realize exactly how much regulation is required to drive a car versus how little is required to obtain a firearm.

I'm sorry you thought I was comparing shootings to auto deaths. I was only following the Obama thought of if it saves one kids life then we should do it. Now is there anyone that thinks making cars only able to go 30 MPH wont save thousands of kids lives ?
Did I say anything about the regulations to drive a car ?
If you don't want to make it so every car can only go a maximum of 30 MPH then you don't care about saving kids lives.

 

[cupman]

I think it's safe to say most deaths by automobile are an accident. Sure, every now and again some loon runs down a rival.. but per capita? come on. The numbers I originally posted that you quoted were from "intentional homicide.(by guns)" I know some people unfortunately have an accident shooting or aren't being safe and they die to complete accidents. I think about that bonehead who wanted to put a put a hole in his wall so he shot a hole instead of drilling, he ended up hitting his poor wife out in the garden and she died. He didn't get in much trouble if any. Obviously would be different if they got in a fight over who lost on American Idol and he shot her. Accidents and intention are definitely viewed differently.


EDIT: re-wrote. clarity issues.

 

[onedoodle3]

I just have one question...Is Thiaturkey an American on American soil? If not, he does not have a dog in this fight. Yes, he may post his opinion, however, he is not here, so his opinion is exactly that and has no worth...in MY opinion.

 

[cupman]

I'm sorry you thought I was comparing shootings to auto deaths. I was only following the Obama thought of if it saves one kids life then we should do it. Now is there anyone that thinks making cars only able to go 30 MPH wont save thousands of kids lives ?
Did I say anything about the regulations to drive a car ?
If you don't want to make it so every car can only go a maximum of 30 MPH then you don't care about saving kids lives.

You were comparing shootings with automobile deaths. Dance around that as much as you want but you aren't fooling anyone. You suffer from the problem of being unable to have a rational argument. You compare one extreme to another while trying to find common ground. It's plain ridiculous.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I can tell you that in 13 years in EMS I saw more murder by car than I did murder by gun. An where I live there are more guns than cars.