Tylan 200 injection schedule

[Mark_Kaiser]

Hello! While new to this forum (actually, any forum for that matter) we have raised chickens for about 8 years; small flock of 12-20 mixed breed birds for eggs and enjoyment.

We have a 2.5 year old Silver Laced Wyandotte with respiratory problems (a cold). I have spent a few hours scouring the internet and have come back with three or four frequency recommendations for Tylan 200 injections for respiratory problem and thought maybe I should join a forum and ask some fellow poultry people their experience.

I am (fairly) confident through my chicken health book and the internet that the correct dosage for this sick bird is .5 cc.

As far as schedule/frequency, I have seen online (each repeatedly):
- 1 injection followed by a follow-up injection 48 hours later
- 1 injection am and another injection pm for 3 days not more than 5 days
- 1 injection am and another injection pm for 7 days not more than 14 days

They are SO different I'm not even comfortable taking an average

The sick Wyandotte had some respiratory issues a few months ago (winter) and we gave her 1 injection followed by another 48 hours later at that time. She improved to almost better, but never seemed to 100% completely beat this thing. Whether its the stress of summertime heat/humidity or just reoccurance, she's getting worse again.

We gave her an injection 2 days ago and she seems to be 'stable' once again.

I have heard that chickens can build an immunity to antibiotics just like people.

Lastly at that same time in winter when the wyandotte was sick we had two others with colds; 1 injection followed by another 48 hours later did the trick for them.

SO, I sure would appreciate any recommendations you might have for me. I was planning on giving her another shot tonight and seeing where it goes; but I'm wondering if some of you out there feel that after it not doing the trick for this chicken in the winter if I should try one of the other longer treatment options?

and LASTLY

we purchased the Tylan 200 a few months ago (Dec 2010) and it has been capped in the refridgerator since. Still ok?

Thank you!

 

[Wayne&Kim1963]

I use tylan 200 for my chickens but have found that if given in injections it can make abcess or necrotic place in tissue. It is better to give it orally if at all possible. I give a big hen 1 cc and a small chicken 1/2 cc orally everyday for 5 days. I also give 1 cc procaine penicillin under the skin on half grown chicken to hen size for respiratory issues at same time I give tylan. 1/2cc of penicillin for smaller chicken. But I only give penicillin every 3 to 4 days. Amoxicillin caps 250mg work well with the chickens for respiratory infections also. I am sure someone will come on and say something different but this has worked for me this year.
The tylan is broad sprectrum and covers many bacteria. The penicilin covers alot of gram positives that tylan can miss. I had few chickens this last year that no antibiotic worked on and lost them but was afraid it was viral. It is always best to isolate the sick chicken from rest of group of chickens so as not to spread the bug. I would also check if it is older hen that is sick for mites. Mites suck the blood from the chicken and predipose them to catch illnesses. Mites can also spread respiratory infections in your chickens too. I use seven powder on them for this. When the go to bed and are on the roost i just go around ruffling some feathers and sprinkle powder on them. I am far from a vet but those are some things I would do,

 

[dawg53]

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We can see the post. The reason why you're not getting responses is that not many people use tylan 200 injectable. Most use tylan 50 injectable or tylan soluable. The dosages and times are more widely available in the forum for tylan 50.
It appears that you've pretty much answered your own question as well. If it's working for you, continue to dose accordingly. Keep in mind that tylan 200 is more potent than tylan 50. Dose once with it, then once again in 48 hours as you've been doing.
Chickens dont get colds like humans, it is a specific disease. Bacterial diseases can and do build resistance to antibiotics in time. Antibiotics have no effect on virusus. The problem with chronic respiratory diseases (CRD) are that antibiotics mask the symtoms but dont cure the disease in chickens. The chickens will remain carriers for life.
If the tylan 200 eventully becomes ineffective, look into denegard. It is for swine but can be used in chickens. There is no resistance to it nor withdrawal. Type "denegard" in the BYC search box and read up on it. I've read alot of good things about it, it can be purchased from QC Supply.
The expiration date on tylan should be located on the box that it came in. Keeping it refridgerated is a good idea. Good luck.

 

[Wayne&Kim1963]

Regarding immunity to drugs. What happens is the bacteria become smart. They say this antibiotic is killing us so they build up stronger coatings or change so that antibiotic isn't getting them anymore. So it has nothing to do with the chicken becoming restistant to the medication it is the bacteria becoming smart. Then you may have to change antibiotics. But to ensure you are not just barely getting her over it then she comes down with it again make sure you give her antibiotic for the full 5 days. That will give her chance to get over this infection. Feed her special things to help make her feel better. I like to feed things that are high in protein cause that helps them heal. boiled eggs, raw liver slivers(helps for anemia), hotdogs, or something she likes.
I don't get on here alot I work and take care of chickens so dont have alot of time. But hopefully I helped you. I have raised chickens about 25 years and tylan is old medication but good one.

 

[1livelychick]

I've used Tylan 200 with great success. But, I use it orally per my vet that specializes in poultry. They weighed my hen at 6.6 lbs then told me to give her a dosage of .23 cc (ml) once a day. If you give them too much it can damage their kidneys and liver. I had to administer this dose for over a week. It wasn't for CRD. Joint infection and then the other hen weighed the same for a coyote attack. Tylan 200 is concentrated as Dawg suggested. Good luck!

 

[Mark_Kaiser]

Thank you all very much! Was so happy to see replies to my post --

1 Lively Chick -- Only reason we went with injections is that on a thread on found elsewhere on the internet they were all recommending injections vs. provided in their drinking water; but I didn't even know that orally was an option. If that's what a poultry vet recommends, that's great by me. To confirm, orally as in fed directly into the throat using a 'soft' syringe the kind used for hand feeding?

Dawg -- We have a couple Poultry Health books and also looked extensively online, but it appears that respiratory infections are very hard to identify? Or can you recommend a good source? Sick chicken appears to be eating and drinking normally, but sneezes and seems to wheeze on and off. When we had super hot weather a few days last week her wheezing was elevated and constant; thought we were going to lose her. We did not seperate her; will do that in the future.

Wayne and Kim -- thanks for the mite connection --- could definately be connected we are in the middle of battling a mite problem; we've throroughly powerwashed, cleaned and sprayed the entire coop with Poultry Protector. Replaced the roost boards, removed the straw in the nest boxes, and dusted the entire coop with DE. Afterwards we coated all infected legs with vaseline. Did we miss anything? I'm thinking of another coat of vaseline yet.

Really appreciate your help guys -- while raised in the country we weren't raised on a farm and we struggle sometimes with what to do to provide the best care for our feathered flock.

- Mark & Cari

 

[dawg53]

I do NOT recommend mixing the Safeguard liquid goat wormer in water in this particular instance.
1. Your hen is sick, she may not drink the treated water.
2. She may not drink enough of it to be effective.
This is why you must dose her orally yourself, that way you know she properly got treated. Repeat again in 10 days.
I agree with Echobabe that the antibiotic shouldnt be given at the same time you're worming.

 

[chickengrl]

I wanted to add that the most common way to diagnose what particular problem you are dealing with is with a necropsy (animal autopsy) It sounds very much to me that you are dealing with a respiratory illness. But then, that is what I have experince with. If your bird dies try to get her to your state veterinarian for the test. It is free in many states and low cost in others. Just google for instance: virginia state veterinarian and you should get a result. It's pretty important that you know what you are dealing with so that you can plan proper management. Keep the bird cold until you can get it delivered. As fresh as possible.

I have also used Tylan 50 0.5 cc injected for these things. I prefer giving it under the skin (SQ), it is easier and some folks feel it is better than IM because you should'nt get the problem of it killing tissue in the birds breast. Pull up a tent of skin on back of the neck and insert needle just under the skin. Hurts them much less too. Good luck!

 

[oldchickenman1]

dawg53
You have helped so many people on this site you may not remember my case. After positive id of gapeworm in dead bird I wormed with 5 cc of eprinex on skin. after 3 days with no improvement you suggested safeguard in mouth- my personal health problems put me out of commission so I placed the safeguard in only source of water for 2 days. I have the valbazan on hand and will administer it this friday in mouth for follow up worming. I have not found any sign of gapeworm in last 5 birds that have died and I gave tylan 50 for 4 days without any improvement Could my problem possibly still be gape worm???

Herman

 

[Easterlife]

Hello Mark and Cari! It seems you try to cover all the "bases" , I do the same. I love my babies and I try to go beyond.
I start by isolating them from the flock. Then they are taken to the bathtub of one the bathrooms, where I can keep an eye on them plus they have the advantage of the a/c. Then I feed them a mixture of yogurt, garlic, oregano, boiled egg yolk, chopped wheat grass and a little bit of a high protein feed (Vitamor) to complement and to make the mixture heavier (creamy). Then it is administered using a syringe. Ok, you'll think, a syringe? Well, my husband came with the idea of using the one that we use to inject the seasoned butter on the turkey for Thanksgiving. He customized the opening . Ok, back to the treatment, we have another syringe, a regular 6ml syringe for the hydration (water with organic raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar, with mother). You can use regular apple cider vinegar. Since they have been too weak to drink, we hydrate them every 4 hours a day, at least. If they are to the point that we feel high temperature on their comb and we see that they are too weak, we add one low dose aspirin (81 mg St. Joseph), every 12 hours, only if is necessary, to the treatment. As I explained, I am what some people say, exagerated but I think when avians shows symptoms, usually is when they are almost dying.
And then is when the injected antibiotic comes. I haven't used Tylan yet. This is how I came across with this specific conversation and I had to share . I am considering Tylan.

To finish the treament, I lightly massage their combs, wattles, beaks and under the wings with Vet RX. I always put extra food and water in case they want to eat or drink for them selves. That shows me they are feeling better at ghe same time. Thank God, all of the patients returned to their places totally recovered. .

I hope this helps.