URGENT! Chicken layer feed has "dead animal bodies" in it?

[AquaEyes]

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You may not believe it, but there is no restriction against using them in animal feed. Beware the "mysterious" ingredients such as "meat meal" or "animal protein" or other ambiguous terms. If a manufacturer wants to use a premium ingredient, you can be sure it'll be listed as such. But there's a reason that cheap food is cheap.



~Chris

 

[celticbird]

crapoganda!!!! Go back to your way of life don't let the brainwash you. Think for yourself you'll be glad ya did hahaha.

From the rules:

2. No discussions about animal rights organizations​

 

[ramapo]

Amen To That Celtic.

 

[AquaEyes]

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So you're saying that even though the FDA allows 4-D animals to be included in animal feed (as long as the "animal protein" is heated to high temperatures before being added to the feed), the good ole feed corporations are going to say "no, some things we just can't do to make more money" and not use a legally allowable and cheap ingredient to make more profits? Simple logic will tell you that the businesses which take full advantage of every advantage will make more money. Since it's not illegal, they'll do it.

I think for myself, and then I test my hypotheses with sources.



~Chris

http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RS21771.pdf

http://www2.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=3727

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/ap42/ch09/final/c9s05-3.pdf

 

[WoodlandWoman]

AquaEyes, have you been reading ingredient lists for any chicken feeds, yet? I haven't seen the ingredient terms you're worried about on any of the feeds I've seen for sale. I believe that most of the nasty ingredients are channeled to feed lot animals and large factory farm operations these days.

I think this thread was originally supposed to be focused on what our backyard chickens are being fed, rather than what's going on in factory farms and feed lots. I think it really muddies the waters to be discussing both in the same thread and confuses people that are new. If people don't seem to be taking your concerns seriously, I think it's because they aren't seeing an issue with the quality of feeds marketed for the home producer.

To me, the discussion of what large corporate producers are feeding should be a new thread, if someone wants to discuss it.

 

[speckledhen]

This is from the site of the company who makes the layer pellets we use. They identify the animal protein used on the label as porcine. I'll see if I can find a label to post. Most feeds I've seen use porcine protein (as in pork products, in case someone doesn't know)

Tucker Milling uses only the finest ingredients to produce excellent quality nutrition for your birds. We include non-ruminant meat and bone meal to fulfill the omnivorous needs of your poultry. Poultry naturally consume insects and worms when they are free range, but in captivity they need supplements of this in their diet. This gives them the proper protein sources they need and can help curb pecking eggs and each other.

Have used this for years and we are very satisfied with the product. Wouldn't feed vegetarian feed unless we had to do so.​

 

[GallusGal]

As with all pet foods and feed you have to watch for the terms "crude protein and crude fat". Crude is just that CRUDE. It's all the parts of animals along with downer cows, pigs, veternarian remains, euthanized animals, etc. It's bad stuff. So buy feed and all your pet food that has a complete list of ingrediants and don't use anything with crude fat and protein in it. I buy Modesto Milling feed for my girls!

No, not by a long shot. "Crude x" on any label has absolutely nothing to do with the protein source, as the FDA (which controls labeling) would know:

At minimum, many state regulations require a pet food to guarantee the minimum percentages of crude protein and crude fat, and the maximum percentages of crude fiber and moisture. The "crude" term refers to the specific method of testing the product, not to the quality of the nutrient itself.

Basically, the method of testing for protein is based on a measure of nitrogen in the product, and can thus only give a rough estimate as a small percentage of the nitrogen is actually unavailable as a nutrient. But that does NOT mean that the protein has an inferior source; this is the general standard for nutrient testing.​

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Not even close to the truth!

 

[Chris09]

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You couldn't be any further from the truth.

Crude as in Crude Protein --
crude protein definition
Pronunciation: /ˈkr{uuml}d-/
Function: n
: the approximate amount of protein in foods that is calculated from the determined nitrogen content by multiplying by a factor (as 6.25 for many foods and 5.7 for wheat) derived from the average percentage of nitrogen in the food proteins and that may contain an appreciable error if the nitrogen is derived from nonprotein material or from a protein of unusual composition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crude+protein

Crude protein estimates the total protein content of a feed. When measuring crude protein, the nitrogen content of a feed sample is determined . Since proteins contain 16% nitrogen on average, the nitrogen value is multiplied by a factor of 6.25 to calculate the crude protein content of the feed. Since crude protein level includes both true protein (amino acids) and non protein nitrogen, it does not provide information regarding the quality or availability of the protein in a particular feed.
http://www.gov.pe.ca/af/agweb/index.php3?number=74168

Chris

 

[elmo]

It's always good to be aware of the source of a claim so you can try to understand its bias (and all sources have bias). Did you notice who put up the ad claiming that animals from the pound were being used in chicken feed?

That's a pretty general claim, too. The chicken feed I use gets its protein from fish meal. Not many fish end up in the pound, I don't think, so the bus ad's claim is verifiably false with respect to my chicken feed. And if you read the label on the chicken feed you were using, I bet you might find that the claim was false with regard to your feed, too (e.g., if your feed was vegetarian).