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[Matthew3590]

See this is what I hate about schools today. They teach kids calculus an other junk they probably will never use but they don't teach them the basics of constitutional law.

What is an is not protected is almost identical weather you are in school or not. Beer ads are not protected. Never have been an they are banned in many countys.

I did not know they were not protected. Seems as if promotion is protected by freedom of speech.

If beer is not protected then what is? According to the answers that I am finding it never goes into detail on the specifics of speech.

 

[cravenchx]

Well what would you do then, cravenchx? yank your kid out of school and start home schooling? Maybe even sue the school for a million dollars?

It seems that just because you have a reason to be upset doesn't mean you need to start world war three over it. It was clearly a mistake, the DHHS official said it was a mistake, and it probably won't happen again. And like Kristy said, the details are so limited at this point who knows what really happened.

Fortunately, my children are grown. As far as "suing the school, not in to that!
I'm not starting WWIII. PROBABLY? won't happen again? I would like to be a little
more assured. If they can rule the school lunch, what's next? And what really happened
is a 4 year old came home and told his mother that someone told him the lunch she
fixed him was not good enough!

 

[cupman]

I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I'll try reading it in a really scary voice or something.

 

[cravenchx]

Really? Imagine someone just told you that
what you are having for dinner is NOT USDA approved,
and you were left to eat disgusting chicken, or pork or beef, or
GOD only knows what parts?

 

[KristyHall]

I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I'll try reading it in a really scary voice or something.

I'm with you on that one. It was a mistake, the problem was corrected, and now it's being handled between the people affected, and the person who over stepped his/her bounds.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Another tempest in a teapot....

It was not a Federal official; it was a state official, enforcing state guidelines that conform to USDA guidelines.

And yes, school speech is limited. The Supreme Court has upheld several rulings that say so. Advertising is protected speech, but in some cases can be limited; cigarette advertising being the most common limited speech. With the Citizen United ruling, even corporations are considered people and their speech is protected.

Yes it is awful that a kid's lunch was taken away. No it is not undisiplined government at it's worst.

Here's the wikipedia version of one of the court's most recent rulings on school speech....it happened in my home town. And in my opinion the opinion of the court was wrong. The kid was not at a school function, was not on school property and had been dismissed from classes...making the argument that it was "school speech" seems flimsy at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick

I think that what is interesting about the school lunch thing was that it was merely local news, that is being picked up nationally by those who have an agenda.

Again if this were my kid, I be taking it up with the overstepping official, and the person who sent the idiot to the school. Not taking it to the national news.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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As much as I hate to post anything from the ACLU this is an interesting read. http://www.aclunc.org/news/press_re...e_banning_tigger_goes_too_far.shtml?s_src=RSS


There is a lot that is not protected. I cant yell fire in a theater. I cant have fowl language on billboards or my car. I cant put cigarette ads on TV. I cant stand on the court house steps inciting people to burn it down.

The first amendment is there to protect the free expression of ideas & beliefs. None of those things are that.

A lot of the things that you think are protected out side school but not in are not really protected at all. We just err on the side of freedom most of the time. Schools hug that line closer.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Here's the wikipedia version of one of the court's most recent rulings on school speech....it happened in my home town. And in my opinion the opinion of the court was wrong. The kid was not at a school function, was not on school property and had been dismissed from classes...making the argument that it was "school speech" seems flimsy at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick

He did not win under the US law but he would have under state law.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/110508/loc_352352563.shtml

 

[chickened]

We are living in a post-Constitution era as evidenced by the latest attack on the Catholic church where government now tells religious institutions to do things contrary to their beliefs. The Constitution is considered by some an old outdated paper. When the woman that defended Obamacare's contraceptive plan to Congress she admitted that she never consulted her own justice department on the legality of it... so much for the Constitution.

 

[cravenchx]

We are living in a post-Constitution era as evidenced by the latest attack on the Catholic church where government now tells religious institutions to do things contrary to their beliefs. The Constitution is considered by some an old outdated paper. When the woman that defended Obamacare's contraceptive plan to Congress she admitted that she never consulted her own justice department on the legality of it... so much for the Constitution.