Utilize these existing structures or build new? (Pic heavy)

It looked to me like the second little shed was on small "legs". I noticed where the animal dug the wood doesnt look like it is buried in the ground. Dont know what kind of equipment they have. Sure would be a great setup!
 
Okay, as a serious abuser of Chicken Math, I would suggest using the old chicken coop to begin with, while simultaneously fixing up the shed structure. Why? Because you WILL need the space sooner or later. Chicken math WILL strike.
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That first one has possibilities but I don’t know how structurally sound it is. My main concern would be if the support posts are rotten at ground level, but also consider the condition of the other main wood and roof. Some of those old structures can last a long time. If you drive through the country( not so much on the interstate) you can see some really old buildings. Part of that depends on what wood was used and part is how dry they stay.

I think you are talking about building a coop by enclosing one of those bays. You can stiffen that up a lot depending in how you build your walls but how sound is the rest. If the main support wood is not rotten and it’s been there a long time, it may not be as much as a risk as some people think. It hasn’t blown down yet.

I don’t know where you are or how much of a winter you would face, but I could see building 8’ high walls out of something solid with the wood framing stiffening it up and use wire on to the top. That would give you outstanding ventilation and if your roosts are low enough they would be out of any direct wind.

Looking at the second structure, are you sure that’s not an old smokehouse? That open space in the floor could be where they built a fire. I don’t see a lot of ventilation up high that was built into it but maybe there is and the photos don’t show it. A smokehouse would not have ventilation up high. That raised floor looks like the wood isn’t that old though. I’m not sure what’s going on there. Is that floor a later addition?

I’ve seen old milk sheds with something like that too. Maybe someone was milking cows or more likely goats?

I can see sunlight coming in through the wall, so you would need to do some repairs. You could put board up the inside but you need to keep rainwater out of there. If water can get inside it can cause rot. The wood getting wet is not the big problem as long as it can dry out. The wood staying wet is what causes the problem.

You can see sunlight under part of the foundation, so might need to do some work there. I’m not sure how big a problem that is.

As for the varmints, that is probably a groundhog but other things like skunks can do that too. Possibly a fox. I would not expect a raccoon to dig a den in the ground but they might use an existing den. A lot of other things could use an existing den too. I don’t know if that is active but groundhogs love to den under buildings like that. Mom had that problem under one of her outbuildings and a neighbor recently took four groundhogs out of a den under one of his.

The groundhogs themselves would not be a direct danger to your chickens but their tunnels could be an avenue for other things to use to get inside. They like to hide the openings in brush piles, under buildings and things like that so there would be no reason for them to tunnel into your run, but who knows. If you put a floor in there, even at ground level, there is a chance something will den under there. It’s possible nothing is using those dens right not, but groundhogs tend to use a den for a long, long time.

You can put a secure floor in there and you should be OK. The only way I’ve seen people get rid of groundhogs is to shoot or trap them out, and there could be several in there.

Both have possibilities and both have some questions. If they are still structurally sound either could work. Good luck.
 
I also prefer the second building for a chicken coop. I think I would only put insured vehicles in the other shed! I have a chicken tractor with a wood floor... Now it is not an entire coop but I really like the wood floor. I know my birds are locked up tight at night and they are safe. My run is not very secure it is mostly for daytime use and actually I free range my birds all day so I do not use the run unless I am out of town. They also do not use the coop much, to lay eggs in the box and to roost at night. Are you going to free range daily?

gg706, I have the same plan as you: lock them up at night, in the run when I'm gone, but free range as much as possible.

Okay, as a serious abuser of Chicken Math, I would suggest using the old chicken coop to begin with, while simultaneously fixing up the shed structure. Why? Because you WILL need the space sooner or later. Chicken math WILL strike.

Hahaha, don't tell my husband that. He's pretty much just humoring me with these. ;)
That first one has possibilities but I don’t know how structurally sound it is. My main concern would be if the support posts are rotten at ground level, but also consider the condition of the other main wood and roof. Some of those old structures can last a long time. If you drive through the country( not so much on the interstate) you can see some really old buildings. Part of that depends on what wood was used and part is how dry they stay.

I think you are talking about building a coop by enclosing one of those bays. You can stiffen that up a lot depending in how you build your walls but how sound is the rest. If the main support wood is not rotten and it’s been there a long time, it may not be as much as a risk as some people think. It hasn’t blown down yet.

I don’t know where you are or how much of a winter you would face, but I could see building 8’ high walls out of something solid with the wood framing stiffening it up and use wire on to the top. That would give you outstanding ventilation and if your roosts are low enough they would be out of any direct wind.

Looking at the second structure, are you sure that’s not an old smokehouse? That open space in the floor could be where they built a fire. I don’t see a lot of ventilation up high that was built into it but maybe there is and the photos don’t show it. A smokehouse would not have ventilation up high. That raised floor looks like the wood isn’t that old though. I’m not sure what’s going on there. Is that floor a later addition?

I’ve seen old milk sheds with something like that too. Maybe someone was milking cows or more likely goats?

I can see sunlight coming in through the wall, so you would need to do some repairs. You could put board up the inside but you need to keep rainwater out of there. If water can get inside it can cause rot. The wood getting wet is not the big problem as long as it can dry out. The wood staying wet is what causes the problem.

You can see sunlight under part of the foundation, so might need to do some work there. I’m not sure how big a problem that is.

As for the varmints, that is probably a groundhog but other things like skunks can do that too. Possibly a fox. I would not expect a raccoon to dig a den in the ground but they might use an existing den. A lot of other things could use an existing den too. I don’t know if that is active but groundhogs love to den under buildings like that. Mom had that problem under one of her outbuildings and a neighbor recently took four groundhogs out of a den under one of his.

The groundhogs themselves would not be a direct danger to your chickens but their tunnels could be an avenue for other things to use to get inside. They like to hide the openings in brush piles, under buildings and things like that so there would be no reason for them to tunnel into your run, but who knows. If you put a floor in there, even at ground level, there is a chance something will den under there. It’s possible nothing is using those dens right not, but groundhogs tend to use a den for a long, long time.

You can put a secure floor in there and you should be OK. The only way I’ve seen people get rid of groundhogs is to shoot or trap them out, and there could be several in there.

Both have possibilities and both have some questions. If they are still structurally sound either could work. Good luck.

Thank you so much for your advice! I honestly don't know what the structures' original purposes were. We purchased the old family home-place/farm a few years ago. Our home was built in 1870, so most of the structures are at least 50+ years old and haven't been used for anything but accumulating junk from the last owner. I'm certain that the structures haven't had anything done to them in at least 30-40 years. We're in NWGA, so weather is pretty mild. As for the varmits, I'm glad you mentioned ground hogs. They run rampant around here and I wasn't quite sure if they would bother the chickens or not. We try to deal with them as best we can. I've become a pretty good shot out our kitchen window, lol.

I like the idea of framing up and securing a nice run in the big red shed while also building a small coop inside to secure them in at night. Then again, I can see securing the white building and then building a small run off the side of it. I'm trying to keep it within about $200-300 dollars, so I guess I need to go price some supplies.

I definitely will be trying to leave the white building's exterior pretty much intact (at least one side) as we have a few local photographers who utilize some of our property for photos.
 
Yeah, the shed is a nice start to a big coop. You may want to put a thin plywood on the floor. I'm not sure how big the floor gaps are but weasels can fit through very small openings. For little expense and a quick primer and paint it would be perfect.

To keep in mind when your making a pop door or human door would be to have them a good 6 inches or more up from floor so you can have deep litter in there for less cleaning maintenance. Another good idea would be installing a poop board under roosts to catch the majority of droppings. Tile or paint the board for easy scraping of poo from nights roostings every few days.

Thank you! I know I thought that L-shaped raised area in the shed looked like a great start for roosts and poop boards. :)

That first structure would be fantastic since it has a large covered area! You could easily add some additional support posts and I would also run a few long boards connecting all the support posts as cross bracing to knockout any movement. The roof looks to be in good shape and tin/metal sheets? The ceiling joists also look to be in good shape. You could build a coop underneath and have a very nice large shaded run area with a few added end fences and nets to the roof. That would be my first choice if you can shore things up. Nice big area for a dozen chickens with room to expand. The second area will work fine as well.

That's what I was thinking as well, but a little concerned as to how much all the wire/hardware cloth would cost for an area that big. Also, the roof is just basic tin. Would I need to be concerned about raccoons or other predators climbing up and being able to get in by prying up a sheet?? It stays completely dry as you can tell, we'd just had a hard rain for several hours right before I took all those pictures.
 
since they're so old they're probably not much for security from ground diggers. hardware cloth might be your friend. i used it on my walls & ceiling. i crammed steel wool in every crack or crevice. i didn't want to find any snakes, rats, mice, or other unwelcomes in the coop. so far - a year later - no intruders inside the coop.
my preference is the big structure. a coop could be made in one end (which might help in shoring up the structure) & a great run in the rest.
either one can be great
 
If you want to hardware cloth that shed...remortgage your house first! It is almost $17.00 for a roll and the rolls are not very long, probably like 36"X15' or 20'. For my small chicken tractor I believe if I remember correctly I went through 5 rolls. So your huge shed...I wouldn't even want to know how how much $$$! You could cover it in a cheaper fence and use it just for daytime hours however. It is a risk but so is free rangeing. I would LOVE to have that huge shed! I would probably build the egg boxes and such inside the open area and basically build a roosting building for them to sleep safely at night. And cover the building in like horse type fenceing. I bought a roll with 2X4 regtangles and it was MUCH cheaper. But I would not expect my chickens would survive being in that fence during the night. Might get lucky a time or two but eventually something will get them.
 
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Yikes! Yeah, I really need to just go look at types of fencing, price it, then see which building seems the most economical. We keep rolls of page wire around since we're on a cattle farm, but the openings just seem too big. We have lots of supplies, (Old doors, windows, fencing, and TONS of rough cut lumber and pallets) so hopefully I can make something work.

I appreciate all the insight!
 
Yikes! Yeah, I really need to just go look at types of fencing, price it, then see which building seems the most economical. We keep rolls of page wire around since we're on a cattle farm, but the openings just seem too big. We have lots of supplies, (Old doors, windows, fencing, and TONS of rough cut lumber and pallets) so hopefully I can make something work. 

I appreciate all the insight!


Check Amazon. I got a 100' x 36" roll of 19 gauge 1/2" hardware cloth for $80. Did a free trial of Amazon Prime to qualify for free shipping. It was delivered within 72 hours. This was in January.
 

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