Vaccinate or Not

[FortCluck]

Aren't you not supposed to mix vaccinated with non vaccinated?

I think I read that somewhere

 

[jolenesdad]

Aren't you not supposed to mix vaccinated with non vaccinated?

I think I read that somewhere

I don’t think it matters. IF you were breeding your own birds and specifically trying to “breed for resistance” I would assume you wouldn’t want to mix birds, but as far as can you? Absolutely.

 

[ShrekDawg]

With those theories no one should get vaccines because it makes the diseases stronger. I never get a flu shot anyway.

Not true. You cannot compare a Marek's vaccines to the ones humans get. Most vaccines prevent you from ever contracting the disease. The Marek's vaccines (there are several) are different. They do not prevent the disease. They only prevent the worst of the symptoms.

Yeah, I think they’re different and I’ve read human ones don’t leak like the Mareks one does? Idk.

I did get my shot this year but always wanted to try not.

But supposedly it prevents you from dying/getting it really bad hah

But I do think there’s wa

Aren't you not supposed to mix vaccinated with non vaccinated?

I think I read that somewhere

Maybe in the articles I posted? I think it said that. Or at least that was how I interpreted it. But that may have been commercial flocks.

I don’t think it matters. IF you were breeding your own birds and specifically trying to “breed for resistance” I would assume you wouldn’t want to mix birds, but as far as can you? Absolutely.

That’s good to know you can because I thought the vaccinated ones would kill all the unvaccinated ones??

 

[jolenesdad]

Yeah, I think they’re different and I’ve read human ones don’t leak like the Mareks one does? Idk.

I did get my shot this year but always wanted to try not.

But supposedly it prevents you from dying/getting it really bad hah

But I do think there’s wa


Maybe in the articles I posted? I think it said that. Or at least that was how I interpreted it. But that may have been commercial flocks.




That’s good to know you can because I thought the vaccinated ones would kill all the unvaccinated ones??

I mean, if you had mareks in your flock maybe. But the unvaccinated ones would be dead anyway.

yes, a lot of those rules are for commercial poultry. We are talking about billions concentrated in small areas a year. You can’t even have unvaccinated because the nature of the disease, it probably never leaves commercial houses. Ever. It’s a loop.


Also I was reading through earlier and someone mentioned if you want organic birds not to vaccinate but I just wanted to point out that the mareks vaccine can be given in ovo or to a day old chick and it can still be an organic bird in most states....

 

[Al Capon]

I agree with @NHMountainMan and am also super curious to know how @Mixed flock enthusiast vaccinated IN the egg!

They do it like this..

 

[jolenesdad]

They do it like this..

OH MY HOWWWWW did you link that video to that exact spot? I didn’t even know that was possible. thank you!

interesting

 

[ShrekDawg]

I mean, if you had mareks in your flock maybe. But the unvaccinated ones would be dead anyway.

yes, a lot of those rules are for commercial poultry. We are talking about billions concentrated in small areas a year. You can’t even have unvaccinated because the nature of the disease, it probably never leaves commercial houses. Ever. It’s a loop.


Also I was reading through earlier and someone mentioned if you want organic birds not to vaccinate but I just wanted to point out that the mareks vaccine can be given in ovo or to a day old chick and it can still be an organic bird in most states....

Thanks! That makes sense and is very interesting. Especially that vaccination is acceptable for organic.

But I guess I just heard that the vaccinated birds are able to produce a hotter strain of the virus? So the unvaccinated ones might not have died with a lesser strain but the vaccinated ones produce a much hotter strain? At least that’s how I interpreted it.

I assumed they’d all just drop dead right away

 

[jolenesdad]

Thanks! That makes sense and is very interesting. Especially that vaccination is acceptable for organic.

But I guess I just heard that the vaccinated birds are able to produce a hotter strain of the virus? So the unvaccinated ones might not have died with a lesser strain but the vaccinated ones produce a much hotter strain? At least that’s how I interpreted it.

I assumed they’d all just drop dead right away

Honestly I have no idea about the hotter strains. That’s why I tagged Mixed Flock Enthusiast because she has done much more research directly....

It’s so confusing. For example ideal hatchery doesn’t recommend vaccinations for any small flocks. But the other hatcheries do. The first time I ordered from My Pet Chicken I selected no vaccinations and they called me and said they recommend it on every bird. So I added it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ShrekDawg]

Honestly I have no idea about the hotter strains. That’s why I tagged Mixed Flock Enthusiast because she has done much more research directly....

It’s so confusing. For example ideal hatchery doesn’t recommend vaccinations for any small flocks. But the other hatcheries do. The first time I ordered from My Pet Chicken I selected no vaccinations and they called me and said they recommend it on every bird. So I added it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That makes sense!!

And yeah it really is confusing!! I didn’t know other hatcheries recommended it.

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Thanks! That makes sense and is very interesting. Especially that vaccination is acceptable for organic.

But I guess I just heard that the vaccinated birds are able to produce a hotter strain of the virus? So the unvaccinated ones might not have died with a lesser strain but the vaccinated ones produce a much hotter strain? At least that’s how I interpreted it.

I assumed they’d all just drop dead right away

I have a much lengthier post talking about this earlier in this thread, but the jist of it is that the use of highly effective vaccines by large commercial hatcheries of meat and egg laying birds is probably driving increased virulence of some strains of the Marek’s disease virus (MDV). That’s because the vaccine allows birds with very hot strains to live long enough to shed virus. Different strains of MDV have different levels of pathogenicity, with some strains producing mild disease or killing a smaller proportion of the flock. The hottest strains would kill all unvaccinated chicks before they can replicate much virus.