VERY stubborn doughy crop with gas

[WilliamC]

I am about to do the flush. Her crop is SO full after she drinks she makes gargly noises. She mouth breahing some too. In 2018 you mentioned this mix for a rooster with constipation-

"For the Epsom salt flush, mix one teaspoon of salt to one ounce of water. Either give with a syringe or by tube directly into his crop."

I might start with this to get things moving and make room.
What do you think?
Also, once i start this is there to be no food until all treatements

I did my first flush 2 hours ago. So far the dougy mass is still there, but she did poo some very dark poo.
Can i feed her between flushes tomarrow?

 

[WilliamC]

Still a bit of dough in her crop this morning. Well, i fed her anyway this AM. A small amount of soft food loaded with probiotics, some yogurt. Started panting alot earlier today. I HAD to give her a bath before the trip. Seemed to take alot out of her. Comb blue, panting. When i took her out she evacuated her bowels ALOT. Very watery. Blow dried her. Held her to calm her down.
She is in front of the TV watching Chicken TV on YouTube. Been a while since she has been around other chickens. She was the Matriarch and was good at it too. I think it will help calm her.

This will be the last Epsom flush for now. She cant have a blow out on the road. The Sulfate is on the way to the in-laws house. I will pack all the other needs.

 

[PrettyBirdRocky]

Still a bit of dough in her crop this morning. Well, i fed her anyway this AM. A small amount of soft food loaded with probiotics, some yogurt. Started panting alot earlier today. I HAD to give her a bath before the trip. Seemed to take alot out of her. Comb blue, panting. When i took her out she evacuated her bowels ALOT. Very watery. Blow dried her. Held her to calm her down.
She is in front of the TV watching Chicken TV on YouTube. Been a while since she has been around other chickens. She was the Matriarch and was good at it too. I think it will help calm her.

This will be the last Epsom flush for now. She cant have a blow out on the road. The Sulfate is on the way to the in-laws house. I will pack all the other needs.

Reading and following, have my own post/story about our hen with similar issues. We're working on another set of monistat while we wait for the Acidified Copper Sulfate to arrive.

We haven't done the flushes (yet) as I haven't had the free time to manage multiple working full-time. But, her crop is smaller than before but still kneady/doughy. Even without a crop bra. She did gobble up scrambled eggs and coconut oil with Nutri Drench on it.

Hoping your girl perks up! Rooting for her!

 

[WilliamC]

Reading and following, have my own post/story about our hen with similar issues. We're working on another set of monistat while we wait for the Acidified Copper Sulfate to arrive.

We haven't done the flushes (yet) as I haven't had the free time to manage multiple working full-time. But, her crop is smaller than before but still kneady/doughy. Even without a crop bra. She did gobble up scrambled eggs and coconut oil with Nutri Drench on it.

Hoping your girl perks up! Rooting for her!

Yes, sounds familiar!
She is some better. Comb is right color, but she is tired. I guess with what came out of her she would be!!! Getting the tube down her throat was a challenge. Thought i had it in than she snatched her head sideways and out it came. I found a pen light held in my mouth so i could see helped. Wife held her on the floor while holding her wings and i opened the mouth to insert. Once in it was easy. I saw online one should pinch the tube than draw it out so as to not have any dribble and its breathed in.
Butters had a Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection. Its usually seen in dogs! So it was a looong battle and dicey at times. Now her crop is crap! Ugh.
I do keep a bra on her now. She hates it, but her crop is extended some. So she needs to wear it. Poor thing. She can look so so miserable.
We have had chickens for a long time. Many many problems. But each new problem brings back that old panic!

In the past the Monistat, soft foods, vinegar and such helped keep in check. And...i would slowly syringe her .5ml of dry wine at times with her dinner. Helped her old bones hurt less so she could walk easier, improved her mood and its anti-yeast some.
She liked it.
White in the summer, red in the winter.

 

[WilliamC]

Made it to the coast.
Vet here does chickens. But is new at it. Did blood and found massive white blood count, some fluid in abdomen pushing on lungs.
Pretty sure she still has antibiotic resistant Staph. Doc never encounteted it.
Doc gave me three 1.5 ml syringes of Liquamycin LA200. She gave her one in the thigh. Butters bled bad, bruised. Looks over the bone!
I am to give her a shot a day for 2 days!
Read the post on this site, others say every 2 or 3 days due to its half life.
Anyone have any input?????

Here is Butters set up by the window
Also this is the size needle. I might give it orally. I think I can with LA200

 

[WilliamC]

Her injection site this morning. As much as it bled yesterday I think the nicked the Joint. Grrrrr. I'm spraying it with Vetericyn. I hope it doesn't go necrotic.

Edit......they didn't call in the Nystatin and they are closed all weekend. All while out of town. I'm fit to be tied.

 

[WilliamC]

I gave it to her orally last night. She was so tired and hurt I couldn't inject. She takes oral liquid meds well.
This morning crop not empty and it's doughy.
It had, after alot of work, been emptying.

I can't seem to win.

Her right wing is hurt too after doc visit. It's not droopy but holding her or stroking the wing she jerks her head to it.
And in her thigh where vet injected her is hurt and black.

 

[ChickyCh00k]

I'm so sorry this has been such a long and difficult journey for you and Butters. It's sounds like you are doing and have done anything and everything to help her. Perhaps it may be time to let her move on.

Sometimes, as the keepers of animals, the kindest thing we can do is help them to pass on when they are old and/or suffering. We need to make difficult choices about quality of life vs. quantity of years. Although, at 9 years old, Butters has had a MUCH longer life than most chickens and if she isn't improving, after all you have done, it may be her time to go.

This article really helped me re-frame things:
The Kindness of Euthanasia

I think this video is helpful as well:

I do not mean to sound insensitive and I truly hope this doesn't read that way. I just believe that maybe we need to have someone else tell us that's it OK to let them move on.

 

[PrettyBirdRocky]

I gave it to her orally last night. She was so tired and hurt I couldn't inject. She takes oral liquid meds well.
This morning crop not empty and it's doughy.
It had, after alot of work, been emptying.

I can't seem to win.

Her right wing is hurt too after doc visit. It's not droopy but holding her or stroking the wing she jerks her head to it.
And in her thigh where vet injected her is hurt and black.

Poor girl. I wonder if having chicken friends would help? I know it can't be easy for any of you. We have our own special hen, so I get trying everything.

 

[WilliamC]

Poor girl. I wonder if having chicken friends would help? I know it can't be easy for any of you. We have our own special hen, so I get trying everything.

Thank you.