VERY stubborn doughy crop with gas

[WilliamC]

Thank you for the kind words. I really do try to help her.

She is getting the Monostat 7 three times a day now, unfiltered vinegar in her water. She is hydrated, I am feeding her soft foods. (Is rice ok, its a carb so worried about feeding whatever it is) Wearing a bra, message. Nothing is working so I begun a 50/50 mix IntraFungol Saturday evening.
With each treatment i feel it literally growing in the crop and i am burping her. I add some Simethicone to help break it down. This morning there was a doughball.

Its getting worse. Smell has begun. I ordered the copper sulfate as a precaution but it wont be here until Thursday. I called the company to rush it, they wont. It ships from a different state.
Are there any other ideas i can try?
We go out of town Wendsday. We are taking Butters with us. Mother in law has surgery, father in law is wheelchair bound. I really need her to show some positive improvement.

 

[azygous]

You could do the Epsom salts flush. But it must be given twice a day for three consecutive days, so the third day would conflict with your travel plans.

This flush will hose out her entire digestive tract, getting rid of any material that has been lingering too long causing yeasty conditions, thus the gas. It also neutralizes any yeast from crop to the tail end.

The thought occurred to me that Butters might benefit from fermented feed. It's easy enough to do, she would enjoy the taste, and it keeps a fresh supply of natural probiotics in her digestive tract.

I resort to rice when a chicken has diarrhea or isn't eating well. It can't hurt, but I don't see any real benefit for Butters' condition.

If you want to try the Epsom flush, you will need a tubing kit which you can either buy from a vet or get off Amazon. The solution for each flush, which is two times a day, is one half cup warm water and one teaspoon of the Epsom salts. The entire amount is tubed into the crop. Even if you only did it for two days, it might help a lot.

You insert the tube as you see in this photo, only instead of a syringe, it's the tube going into the esophagus.

 

[HollowOfWisps]

This probiotic is the absolute best I have found for any animal having stomach or crop issues. Potent, easy to use and made specifically for these types of situations.
https://www.chewy.com/petag-bene-bac-plus-pet-gel-fos/dp/135924

 

[ChicNmom]

This probiotic is the absolute best I have found for any animal having stomach or crop issues. Potent, easy to use and made specifically for these types of situations.
https://www.chewy.com/petag-bene-bac-plus-pet-gel-fos/dp/135924

What dose do you use for a full size chicken?

I notice they also have a powder.

I am also dealing with some persistent doughy crop and have tried ACS and also just finished de-worming them.

 

[azygous]

What dose do you use for a full size chicken?

I notice they also have a powder.

I am also dealing with some persistent doughy crop and have tried ACS and also just finished de-worming them.

A heavy worm load can slow down the crop and digestion, causing doughy crop at the very least. The Epsom salt flush is very beneficial following worming, cleaning out excess worms not digested.

 

[HollowOfWisps]

What dose do you use for a full size chicken?

I notice they also have a powder.

I am also dealing with some persistent doughy crop and have tried ACS and also just finished de-worming them.

1gram for up to 10lbs.

 

[WilliamC]

You could do the Epsom salts flush. But it must be given twice a day for three consecutive days, so the third day would conflict with your travel plans.

This flush will hose out her entire digestive tract, getting rid of any material that has been lingering too long causing yeasty conditions, thus the gas. It also neutralizes any yeast from crop to the tail end.

The thought occurred to me that Butters might benefit from fermented feed. It's easy enough to do, she would enjoy the taste, and it keeps a fresh supply of natural probiotics in her digestive tract.

I resort to rice when a chicken has diarrhea or isn't eating well. It can't hurt, but I don't see any real benefit for Butters' condition.

If you want to try the Epsom flush, you will need a tubing kit which you can either buy from a vet or get off Amazon. The solution for each flush, which is two times a day, is one half cup warm water and one teaspoon of the Epsom salts. The entire amount is tubed into the crop. Even if you only did it for two days, it might help a lot.

You insert the tube as you see in this photo, only instead of a syringe, it's the tube going into the esophagus.View attachment 3891521

I do have a tube i used to feed a hen a few years back i might be able to use. I had help then! I assume there will be a big mess once it starts coming out? Poor thing.
The feed i use is
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HHGD7YU?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Scratch and Peck Feeds Organic Grower Mash Chicken Feed​

Since she no longer lays figured that would work. I dont think its fermented.

 

[WilliamC]

This probiotic is the absolute best I have found for any animal having stomach or crop issues. Potent, easy to use and made specifically for these types of situations.
https://www.chewy.com/petag-bene-bac-plus-pet-gel-fos/dp/135924

I remember that, i used it on a cat some time back.

This is what i bought. Seems good
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TSL55B5?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

 

[azygous]

That feed is fine. Fermenting feed is like sourdough. First you cover enough feed that you expect to feed her for about four days with warm water, then add a little splash of ACV with the sediment. Stir and place it where it will stay around 70-80F. Stir a few times a day.

This first batch will take around three days to ferment as it needs to grab the (good) yeast spores out of the air. You will know it's ready to feed when it is fluffy and airy, and has a nice sourdough smell.

When you are down to one day's feed left, use a spoon full of that to start a new batch, just as we do when making sourdough bread. This batch, using some from the previous batch, will only take 24 hours to ferment and be ready to feed.

My chickens have been eating fermented feed for a dozen years. They have very few health issues, and some of my hens have reached age 10, 11, and nearly 14 years.

 

[WilliamC]

You could do the Epsom salts flush. But it must be given twice a day for three consecutive days, so the third day would conflict with your travel plans.

This flush will hose out her entire digestive tract, getting rid of any material that has been lingering too long causing yeasty conditions, thus the gas. It also neutralizes any yeast from crop to the tail end.

The thought occurred to me that Butters might benefit from fermented feed. It's easy enough to do, she would enjoy the taste, and it keeps a fresh supply of natural probiotics in her digestive tract.

I resort to rice when a chicken has diarrhea or isn't eating well. It can't hurt, but I don't see any real benefit for Butters' condition.

If you want to try the Epsom flush, you will need a tubing kit which you can either buy from a vet or get off Amazon. The solution for each flush, which is two times a day, is one half cup warm water and one teaspoon of the Epsom salts. The entire amount is tubed into the crop. Even if you only did it for two days, it might help a lot.

You insert the tube as you see in this photo, only instead of a syringe, it's the tube going into the esophagus.View attachment 3891521

I am about to do the flush. Her crop is SO full after she drinks she makes gargly noises. She mouth breahing some too. In 2018 you mentioned this mix for a rooster with constipation-

"For the Epsom salt flush, mix one teaspoon of salt to one ounce of water. Either give with a syringe or by tube directly into his crop."

I might start with this to get things moving and make room.
What do you think?
Also, once i start this is there to be no food until all treatements are finished?