Vote Yes on Proposition 2

[Royicus]

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Companies are either forced to change, or go out of business.

Legislation is not the way to go about this.

Make decisions based off of emotion and not reason or logic and things fail. Why let your ignorance contribute to driving good farmers out of your state? This sounds like a terrible idea.

Or I guess the farmers could just turn around and sell their eggs for 6x the cost.

Maybe the folks who support this proposition can put together their own business of "free range" chicken eggs and put those old farmers out of business?

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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The premise that so-called factory farms treat animals badly is the crux of this proposition, and one that I diasgree with.

The idea that you can simply let hens run around free range is simplistic and infeasible. California produces 6 BILLION eggs a year, that would equate to about 100,000 free range flocks with 500 hens each.

Jim

 

[Barnyard Dawg]

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Maybe if enough people would raise their own chickens we would not need commerical farmers a better idea like many of us on BYC. Again I have travel overseas and have never seen a commerical chicken farmer raise chickens in battery cages, I have pictures which I can't post showing chicken farms in Asia where the chickens all free-range and they have far more people to supply than us and there is no shortage there and the price is very reasonable. We need better farming practice here in America were like in the dark ages.

 

[Royicus]

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Maybe if enough people would raise their own chickens we would not need commerical farmers a better idea like many of us on BYC. Again I have travel overseas and have never seen a commerical chicken farmer raise chickens in battery cages, I have pictures which I can't post showing chicken farms in Asia where the chickens all free-range and they have far more people to supply than us and there is no shortage there and the price is very reasonable. We need better farming practice here in America were like in the dark ages.

The vast majority of the United States does not care to raise their own chickens for meat and eggs, thus, the need for commercial farmers is present. Also, the fact that most people don't care for it also makes the market that buys eggs from folks on this board.

I'm sure chicken farms in Asian vary greatly depending on what country you are in.

 

[Barnyard Dawg]

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Maybe if enough people would raise their own chickens we would not need commerical farmers a better idea like many of us on BYC. Again I have travel overseas and have never seen a commerical chicken farmer raise chickens in battery cages, I have pictures which I can't post showing chicken farms in Asia where the chickens all free-range and they have far more people to supply than us and there is no shortage there and the price is very reasonable. We need better farming practice here in America were like in the dark ages.

The vast majority of the United States does not care to raise their own chickens for meat and eggs, thus, the need for commercial farmers is present. Also, the fact that most people don't care for it also makes the market that buys eggs from folks on this board.

I'm sure chicken farms in Asian vary greatly depending on what country you are in.

Mainly China I would like to bring some of them here to America and start a chicken farm operation, they could do a far better job and they are hard workers who don't mine working.

 

[Royicus]

Goods from China. That instills a lot of consumer confidence right now.

China is China, the US is the US. Costs of operation vary greatly. Bring that chicken operation in China over here to the US, and it will cost a TON more to run. This is why we must innovate and produce higher quality stuff here in the US since if we did things exactly like China, our nation would fall. This is why our jobs get shipped overseas (or one reason anyway), is that someone can do it cheaper then we can. That's the way capitalism works.

Anyway, feel like I'm going a bit on a tangent here.

 

[onthespot]

surely you wouldn't want eggs here fed products laced with melamine, kept in fields irrigated with filthy, untreated water contaminated with multiple carcinogenic compounds and industrial waste that would curl your eyebrows if you knew what was in it, staffed by workers paid fifty cents a day taking care of them... would you? Go China! They can keep their eggs, thank you.

 

[Barnyard Dawg]

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That is why we owe China 2 trillion dollars because were idiots, that is why they tried to outlaw the Chinese from coming to America in the 1900's because they were worried of their quality workmanship and knowledge, basicaly if were not careful China will own us, maybe you better wake up. They are not a third world country like we are becoming.

 

[Enchanted Sunrise Farms]

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Here is the agenda.

guarantee NO heart attack if I don't eat meat-----you know that isn't correct.

I didn't mean that. But type 2 diabetes, heart attacks, etc. would be WAY down if people didn't eat so much meat, excersized, destressed, etc.

Rebecca - It sounds like you are a caring person. That's a good thing. But simply not eating meat won't prevent a heart attack. i had a very good friend who exercised, ate super healthy, did yoga and tai chi, but died of a heart attack last year at the age of 54 (he looked like he was in his 30's). His problem - genetics.

Eating vegetarian is not a cure-all. Wish it was. i'm a vegetarian (ovo-lacto-sometimes eat some fish vegetarian).

i'm actually glad this thread is still open. Someone on that other thread (the closed one) suggested that this proposition could possibly allow agencies to inspect egg-production facilities whenever they wanted, which might make it allowable for them to enter the premises of small flock owners. i haven't found that language in my voter booklet. Anyone have more information on that aspect?

 

[Royicus]

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That is why we owe China 2 trillion dollars because were idiots, that is why they tried to outlaw the Chinese from coming to America in the 1900's because they were worried of their quality workmanship and knowledge, basicaly if were not careful China will own us, maybe you better wake up. They are not a third world country like we are becoming.

The United States owes money to a lot of different countries, not just China. I'm not that well versed in national/world economics to say whether that is good or not. China varies greatly depending on where you are in the country. In some areas, it is a bustling modern city, other areas it's like a third world country. China is a developing country.

I cannot understand why some folks seem to worship China. It is a developing Communist nation. It has good points, it has bad points.