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Chickielady said:
One of the oddest issues here is the variation from 1 day to the next, of humidity.
Some out here, use the dry method and do very well due to the humidty here at optimal standards for incubation (like 30-40%) and then the next day it is warm & DRY and humidity plummets........I find it much easier to hatch in January & February as there is little difference from day to day, in relative Humidity.
I run gQf proffesional models & hatcher.
Love the incubators I have.
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Ours are the Brinsea Incubators - fully loaded basically - they turn the eggs, humidity control, heat control, all i do is make sure the water in the humidity container is full and that's it. We've managed to hatch out some good sized chicks for the eggs they're in. Had our one cochin do her own hatch and by golly I even had to help hers... they were twisted and too large to get out. Our birds I swear put steroids into their eggs before hatching. I dunno - normal conditions all around, but come out good sized.

No matter what it's still always a joy to watch them pop out =)
 
Lil Go Peep said:
Ours are the Brinsea Incubators - fully loaded basically - they turn the eggs, humidity control, heat control, all i do is make sure the water in the humidity container is full and that's it. We've managed to hatch out some good sized chicks for the eggs they're in. Had our one cochin do her own hatch and by golly I even had to help hers... they were twisted and too large to get out. Our birds I swear put steroids into their eggs before hatching. I dunno - normal conditions all around, but come out good sized.

No matter what it's still always a joy to watch them pop out =)
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Yes it is a JOY !!!
Even as old as I am, I am still joyed.
I have gQfs...anf LOVE THEM, and they do everything you'd ever want !

See if I can find PIC.....

OK Old pic & does not really show the size, but it is a big cabinet. DEEP.
water is a 5 gallon bucket feed.
We have 2 more of these feeds going into a water-er for meat birds and one for chicks growing on, so we can be gone a while & the babies still have water.
Just fill it up !
Cornish are famous for eating & drinking SO much, and this sytem works great with the birds as well as the incubators
I told a friend, I can fill my bator & water-er & go to Hawaii for 2 weeks and come home to just in time to a hatch about to happen !
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Dang, I'd love to go to Oahu now !!!
Just when my brother sells his house & moves back to Puyallup........................
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Lil Go Peep said:
WOW - that's crazy. Minnesota got hit hard - all Turkey Farms? hmmm turkey prices will be going up for sure
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Apparently there is LARGE amounts of ducks there as well...but yes, outrageous amounts of turkeys.
Hopefully we still have some for human consumption...I have 1 in the freezer now, and they last 2 yrs frozen & ice covered.
Sad, isn't it ?
This is our food here people !
Chicken & turkey, thousands of birds culled !

If you go to the web site, it explains how this strain of AI is a variation of 2 strains.
In our American strain, it is a much easier virus.
The Asian strain, however, is much much harder on poultry.
What has happened is that the asian strain is here, introduced however !
And the American strain is now somewhat able to morph...hard for me to explain.
I do not think I can post papers from the avian health lab...but I can try.................
 
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Three new HPAI (Eurasian H5N8, EA/AM H5N2, and EA/AM H5N1) have been introduced to Washington State. Wild waterfowl such as mallard ducks, are easily infected with HPAI H5N2, can carry and shed the HPAI virus over long distances and for long periods (14 days). Some wild waterfowl, including mallard ducks remain as residents in Washington. Wild waterfowl will be congregating, breeding and returning down the Pacific flyway to Washington State in late August. Strict biosecurity is critical to preventing the introduction of HPAI where poultry are raised under wild waterfowl flyways.

Would you be kind enough to respond to this email indicating if you would be prepared to attend a one day workshop on HPAI and biosecurity? This workshop would be presented at a location in Washington State, 2015. Would you prefer the workshop in July or August?

Below are some excerpts from the USDA Update on Avian Influenza Findings and USDA plus media releases and maps on the latest HPAI outbreaks.

Sincerely, Lyndon

USDA message on Avian Influenza
All bird owners, whether commercial producers or backyard enthusiasts, need to continue practicing good biosecurity, preventing contact between their birds and wild birds, and reporting sick birds or unusual bird deaths to State/Federal officials, either through your state veterinarian or through USDA’s toll-free number at 1-866-536-7593. Additional information on biosecurity for backyard flocks can be found at healthybirds.aphis.usda.gov

USDA emphasizes that poultry, poultry products and wild birds (see biosecurity and wild birds) are safe to eat if they are properly handled and cooked to a temperature of 165 degrees Fahrenheit.

Origin of HPAI Eurasian H5N8, EA/AM H5N2, and EA/AM H5N1

The H5N8 virus originated in Asia and spread rapidly along wild bird migratory pathways during 2014, including the Pacific flyway. In the Pacific flyway, the H5N8 virus has mixed with North American avian influenza viruses, creating new mixed-origin viruses. This is not unexpected. These mixed-origin viruses contain the Asian-origin H5 part of the virus, which is highly pathogenic to poultry. The N parts of these viruses came from North American low pathogenic avian influenza viruses.

USDA has identified two mixed-origin viruses in the Pacific Flyway: the H5N2 virus and new H5N1 virus. The new H5N1 virus is not the same virus as the H5N1 virus found in Asia that has caused some human illness. CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections to be low. Detailed analysis of the virus is underway in cooperation with CDC.

Trade Information
At least 30 countries have placed restrictions on U.S. poultry exports but trade restrictions are changing rapidly. Some countries, including South Korea, South Africa, Thailand, and China have imposed bans that cover the entire United States. Other countries, such as Canada, Japan, Singapore, and the European Union, have limited restrictions to defined regions in the State where a finding occurred. USDA informs the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) and international trading partners of findings as they occur. USDA is actively working with trading partners, the poultry industry, trade associations, and other stakeholders to reduce or eliminate unjustified trade restrictions and mitigate the impact of these detections on exports.
WASHINGTON, April 17, 2015 - The United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) has confirmed the presence of highly pathogenic H5N2 avian influenza (HPAI) in additional commercial turkey flocks in South Dakota, Minnesota and Wisconsin. No human infections with the virus have been detected at this time. CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections in wild birds, backyard flocks and commercial poultry, to be low.
USDA’s National Veterinary Services Laboratories confirmed HPAI H5N2 in the following states and counties:
· Roberts County, South Dakota (April 15, 2015)
o Central Flyway
o 66,600 turkeys
· Kandiyohi County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 30,000 turkeys
o 5th detection in the county
· Stearns County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 76,000 turkeys
o 6th detection in the county
· Otter Tail County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 21,000 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county
· Roseau County, Minnesota (April 16, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 26,000 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county
· Barron County, Wisconsin (April 16, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 126,700 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county

The affected premises have been quarantined and the premises and birds on the property will be depopulated to prevent the spread of the disease. Birds from the flock will not enter the food system.
The United States has the strongest AI surveillance program in the world. As part of the existing USDA avian influenza response plans, Federal and State partners as well as industry are responding quickly and decisively to these outbreaks by following these five basic steps: 1) Quarantine – restricting movement of poultry and poultry-moving equipment into and out of the control area; 2) Eradicate – humanely euthanizing the affected flock(s); 3) Monitor region – testing wild and domestic birds in a broad area around the quarantine area; 4) Disinfect – kills the virus in the affected flock locations; and 5) Test – confirming that the poultry farm is AI virus-free. USDA also is working with its partners to actively look and test for the disease in commercial poultry operations, live bird markets and in migratory wild bird populations.
For more information about the ongoing avian influenza disease incidents visit the APHIS website. More information about avian influenza can be found on theUSDA avian influenza page. More information about avian influenza and public health is available on the CDC website.
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wps/portal/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/sa_animal_disease_information/sa_avian_health/ct_ai_pacific_flyway/!ut/p/a0/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfGjzOK9_D2MDJ0MjDzdgy1dDTz9wtx8LXzMjf09TPQLsh0VAZdihIg!/

Google map of Fujian H5N2 Clade 2.3.4.4 In North America
The serotype of the H5 (Fujian clade 2.3.4.6 - renamed 2.3.4.4) outbreak in Fraser Valley is H5N2 at this time. This sub-clade has now also spread into the United States. If marker is on a barn, it is a confirmed location.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.kB0Jt6F7NlIM

Media
Minnesota Star Tribune: Bird flu may persist for several years in Minnesota, rest of U.S.
http://www.startribune.com/business/300151221.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

Bird flu outbreak now spreading through Midwest poultry could head east with fall migration
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/299931691.html

Lyndon Badcoe BVSc, MVS, DVSc
Avian Health Veterinarian and Epidemiologist
Washington State Department of Agriculture
1111 Washington St. SE
Olympia WA 98504

Office phone: 360-725-5763
Fax: 360-902-2087
Cell phone: 360-507-6219
E-mail: [email protected]
WSDA Avian Health Program NPIP: http://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/AvianHealth/AvianNPIP.aspx


From: APHIS Stakeholder Registry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:22 AM
To: Badcoe, Lyndon (AGR)
Subject: NOTICE: Importation of Bird/Poultry Products from Canada Due to HPAI

aphis-stakeholder-registry-usdalogo-banner_original.jpg

As a result of the second outbreak of highly pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI) in Canada, the USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) is requiring the following for products entering from Canada:
  1. Commercial shipments of poultry meat and meat products for human consumption must be accompanied by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) Annex A-9 which has been amended to include the following statement:
    • The poultry meat was cooked throughout to reach a minimum internal temperature of 74 degrees C (165 degrees F), or
    • The poultry meat was derived from birds that did not originate in a current USDA APHIS recognized Avian Influenza Control Zone (quarantine control zone) established due to the detection of HPAI in commercial poultry.
  1. Commercial shipments of processed and unprocessed poultry/bird meat, poultry/bird products/by-products and products containing such, (including egg and poultry meat as ingredients) must be accompanied by a USDA APHIS Import Permit and/or appropriate CFIA certification agreed to by APHIS. This also includes composted manure.
  1. Non-commercial shipments (i.e., research specimens) of poultry/bird products and by-products imported from Canada must be accompanied by a USDA AHIS Import Permit.
  1. Bulk shipments of liquid eggs (for human consumption) must be accompanied by a CFIA-issued certificate which certifies that:
    • The eggs were derived from birds that did not originate in a current USDA, APHIS recognized quarantine control zone established due to the detection of HPAI in commercial poultry OR
    • The liquid egg product(s) were pasteurized at the minimum time and temperature requirements as per 9 CFR 590.570.
  1. Unprocessed poultry/bird meat, poultry/bird meat products and by-products in passenger baggage from the Provinces of British Columbia and/or Ontario are prohibited. This also applies to hunter harvested poultry/bird meat whether accompanying returning hunters or shipped to the United States.
    • Exceptions are:
      • Unfinished trophies that are consigned to USDA approved establishments (VS permits are no longer required), or
      • Poultry/bird products accompanied by a USDA APHIS import permit, or
      • Fully taxidermy finished bird trophies
  1. Processed poultry/bird products and by-products for personal use entering the United States from Ontario or British Columbia in passenger baggage must have a thoroughly cooked appearance, or be shelf-stable as a result of APHIS approved packaging and cooking (i.e., packaged in hermetically sealed containers and cooked by a commercial method after such packing to produce articles that are shelf stable without refrigeration) to be allowed entry. If not meeting the aforementioned requirements, then these poultry/bird products must be accompanied by a APHIS import permit and/or CFIA certification confirming that the poultry/bird products/by-products were treated according to APHIS requirements. Products that do not meet these requirements are prohibited.
Many items that contain poultry and egg products as ingredients will now be required to have import permits issued from this office as a result of the latest outbreak of HPAI in Canada. Also importers who currently hold import permits for avian materials from Canada that do not require a heat treatment should contact our office to see if those permits need to be amended, using the contact information below.

For any questions on applying for import permits or questions about current permits, please contact our office at (301) 851-3300, press option one, or email us at: [email protected].


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Chickielady said:

Three new HPAI (Eurasian H5N8, EA/AM H5N2, and EA/AM H5N1) have been introduced to Washington State. Wild waterfowl such as mallard ducks, are easily infected with HPAI H5N2, can carry and shed the HPAI virus over long distances and for long periods (14 days). Some wild waterfowl, including mallard ducks remain as residents in Washington. Wild waterfowl will be congregating, breeding and returning down the Pacific flyway to Washington State in late August. Strict biosecurity is critical to preventing the introduction of HPAI where poultry are raised under wild waterfowl flyways.

Would you be kind enough to respond to this email indicating if you would be prepared to attend a one day workshop on HPAI and biosecurity? This workshop would be presented at a location in Washington State, 2015. Would you prefer the workshop in July or August?

Below are some excerpts from the USDA Update on Avian Influenza Findings and USDA plus media releases and maps on the latest HPAI outbreaks.

Sincerely, Lyndon

USDA message on Avian Influenza
All bird owners, whether commercial producers or backyard enthusiasts, need to continue practicing good biosecurity, preventing contact between their birds and wild birds, and reporting sick birds or unusual bird deaths to State/Federal officials, either through your state veterinarian or through USDA’s toll-free number at 1-866-536-7593. Additional information on biosecurity for backyard flocks can be found at healthybirds.aphis.usda.gov

USDA emphasizes that poultry, poultry products and wild birds (see biosecurity and wild birds) are safe to eat if they are properly handled and cooked to a temperature of 165 degrees Fahrenheit.

Origin of HPAI Eurasian H5N8, EA/AM H5N2, and EA/AM H5N1

The H5N8 virus originated in Asia and spread rapidly along wild bird migratory pathways during 2014, including the Pacific flyway. In the Pacific flyway, the H5N8 virus has mixed with North American avian influenza viruses, creating new mixed-origin viruses. This is not unexpected. These mixed-origin viruses contain the Asian-origin H5 part of the virus, which is highly pathogenic to poultry. The N parts of these viruses came from North American low pathogenic avian influenza viruses.

USDA has identified two mixed-origin viruses in the Pacific Flyway: the H5N2 virus and new H5N1 virus. The new H5N1 virus is not the same virus as the H5N1 virus found in Asia that has caused some human illness. CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections to be low. Detailed analysis of the virus is underway in cooperation with CDC.

Trade Information
At least 30 countries have placed restrictions on U.S. poultry exports but trade restrictions are changing rapidly. Some countries, including South Korea, South Africa, Thailand, and China have imposed bans that cover the entire United States. Other countries, such as Canada, Japan, Singapore, and the European Union, have limited restrictions to defined regions in the State where a finding occurred. USDA informs the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) and international trading partners of findings as they occur. USDA is actively working with trading partners, the poultry industry, trade associations, and other stakeholders to reduce or eliminate unjustified trade restrictions and mitigate the impact of these detections on exports.
WASHINGTON, April 17, 2015 - The United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) has confirmed the presence of highly pathogenic H5N2 avian influenza (HPAI) in additional commercial turkey flocks in South Dakota, Minnesota and Wisconsin. No human infections with the virus have been detected at this time. CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections in wild birds, backyard flocks and commercial poultry, to be low.
USDA’s National Veterinary Services Laboratories confirmed HPAI H5N2 in the following states and counties:
· Roberts County, South Dakota (April 15, 2015)
o Central Flyway
o 66,600 turkeys
· Kandiyohi County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 30,000 turkeys
o 5th detection in the county
· Stearns County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 76,000 turkeys
o 6th detection in the county
· Otter Tail County, Minnesota (April 15, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 21,000 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county
· Roseau County, Minnesota (April 16, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 26,000 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county
· Barron County, Wisconsin (April 16, 2015)
o Mississippi Flyway
o 126,700 turkeys
o 1st detection in the county

The affected premises have been quarantined and the premises and birds on the property will be depopulated to prevent the spread of the disease. Birds from the flock will not enter the food system.
The United States has the strongest AI surveillance program in the world. As part of the existing USDA avian influenza response plans, Federal and State partners as well as industry are responding quickly and decisively to these outbreaks by following these five basic steps: 1) Quarantine – restricting movement of poultry and poultry-moving equipment into and out of the control area; 2) Eradicate – humanely euthanizing the affected flock(s); 3) Monitor region – testing wild and domestic birds in a broad area around the quarantine area; 4) Disinfect – kills the virus in the affected flock locations; and 5) Test – confirming that the poultry farm is AI virus-free. USDA also is working with its partners to actively look and test for the disease in commercial poultry operations, live bird markets and in migratory wild bird populations.
For more information about the ongoing avian influenza disease incidents visit the APHIS website. More information about avian influenza can be found on theUSDA avian influenza page. More information about avian influenza and public health is available on the CDC website.
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wps/portal/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/sa_animal_disease_information/sa_avian_health/ct_ai_pacific_flyway/!ut/p/a0/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfGjzOK9_D2MDJ0MjDzdgy1dDTz9wtx8LXzMjf09TPQLsh0VAZdihIg!/

Google map of Fujian H5N2 Clade 2.3.4.4 In North America
The serotype of the H5 (Fujian clade 2.3.4.6 - renamed 2.3.4.4) outbreak in Fraser Valley is H5N2 at this time. This sub-clade has now also spread into the United States. If marker is on a barn, it is a confirmed location.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.kB0Jt6F7NlIM

Media
Minnesota Star Tribune: Bird flu may persist for several years in Minnesota, rest of U.S.
http://www.startribune.com/business/300151221.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

Bird flu outbreak now spreading through Midwest poultry could head east with fall migration
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/299931691.html

Lyndon Badcoe BVSc, MVS, DVSc
Avian Health Veterinarian and Epidemiologist
Washington State Department of Agriculture
1111 Washington St. SE
Olympia WA 98504

Office phone: 360-725-5763
Fax: 360-902-2087
Cell phone: 360-507-6219
E-mail: [email protected]
WSDA Avian Health Program NPIP: http://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/AvianHealth/AvianNPIP.aspx


From: APHIS Stakeholder Registry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:22 AM
To: Badcoe, Lyndon (AGR)
Subject: NOTICE: Importation of Bird/Poultry Products from Canada Due to HPAI
Click to expand...

aphis-stakeholder-registry-usdalogo-banner_original.jpg

As a result of the second outbreak of highly pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI) in Canada, the USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) is requiring the following for products entering from Canada:
  1. Commercial shipments of poultry meat and meat products for human consumption must be accompanied by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) Annex A-9 which has been amended to include the following statement:
    • The poultry meat was cooked throughout to reach a minimum internal temperature of 74 degrees C (165 degrees F), or
    • The poultry meat was derived from birds that did not originate in a current USDA APHIS recognized Avian Influenza Control Zone (quarantine control zone) established due to the detection of HPAI in commercial poultry.
  1. Commercial shipments of processed and unprocessed poultry/bird meat, poultry/bird products/by-products and products containing such, (including egg and poultry meat as ingredients) must be accompanied by a USDA APHIS Import Permit and/or appropriate CFIA certification agreed to by APHIS. This also includes composted manure.
  1. Non-commercial shipments (i.e., research specimens) of poultry/bird products and by-products imported from Canada must be accompanied by a USDA AHIS Import Permit.
  1. Bulk shipments of liquid eggs (for human consumption) must be accompanied by a CFIA-issued certificate which certifies that:
    • The eggs were derived from birds that did not originate in a current USDA, APHIS recognized quarantine control zone established due to the detection of HPAI in commercial poultry OR
    • The liquid egg product(s) were pasteurized at the minimum time and temperature requirements as per 9 CFR 590.570.
  1. Unprocessed poultry/bird meat, poultry/bird meat products and by-products in passenger baggage from the Provinces of British Columbia and/or Ontario are prohibited. This also applies to hunter harvested poultry/bird meat whether accompanying returning hunters or shipped to the United States.
    • Exceptions are:
      • Unfinished trophies that are consigned to USDA approved establishments (VS permits are no longer required), or
      • Poultry/bird products accompanied by a USDA APHIS import permit, or
      • Fully taxidermy finished bird trophies
  1. Processed poultry/bird products and by-products for personal use entering the United States from Ontario or British Columbia in passenger baggage must have a thoroughly cooked appearance, or be shelf-stable as a result of APHIS approved packaging and cooking (i.e., packaged in hermetically sealed containers and cooked by a commercial method after such packing to produce articles that are shelf stable without refrigeration) to be allowed entry. If not meeting the aforementioned requirements, then these poultry/bird products must be accompanied by a APHIS import permit and/or CFIA certification confirming that the poultry/bird products/by-products were treated according to APHIS requirements. Products that do not meet these requirements are prohibited.
Many items that contain poultry and egg products as ingredients will now be required to have import permits issued from this office as a result of the latest outbreak of HPAI in Canada. Also importers who currently hold import permits for avian materials from Canada that do not require a heat treatment should contact our office to see if those permits need to be amended, using the contact information below.

For any questions on applying for import permits or questions about current permits, please contact our office at (301) 851-3300, press option one, or email us at: [email protected].


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346,300 Turkeys just off that list - Doubt we'll be having a Turkey dinner this year. It's sad that many birds are gonna be put down
 
Chickielady said:
[COLOR=0000FF]MINK.........the worst thing for chickens in the world ![/COLOR]
[COLOR=0000FF]Father's day 2 years ago at 10 AM we left home & when we came home at 4 PM, ALOT of my birds were beheaded, some buried feet UP, and Einstein set up the wildlife cam, and got pics at 10PM when these 2 MINK returned....OH YEAH, they are devastating day or night & can crawl through fence wire.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=0000FF]They also dig down 12", which is why I bury my pen fencing 12" & cover it with concrete.[/COLOR]
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Well I will start locking them up at night, I did it before when a raccoon was eyeing them but stopped after he disappeared. One of us is usually home at all hours of the day, but I would like to take some more precautions in the run design.

Oh YA, I was also wondering if there were laws against killing minks?
 
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sphinxface said:
Well I will start locking them up at night, I did it before when a raccoon was eyeing them but stopped after he disappeared. One of us is usually home at all hours of the day, but I would like to take some more precautions in the run design.

Oh YA, I was also wondering if there were laws against killing minks?
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What I say is don't tell anyone and no one will ever know.
 

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