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Look up "podzolic soils" and you'll get a thorough explanation of how and why they suck; not as bad as laterite but with many of the same problems. Add to that less than 13,000 years since glacial maxima and you've got a soil environment that has to be treated with respect to remain productive. I have 36 acres of pasture here and run a maximum of 16 cow/calf pairs, and suppliment with hay 8-9 months of the year, although when we irrigated and fertilized we could get three cuttings of hay. I'm on the extreme end of soil fragility, though, since I'm on sand. The Everson and Spanaway series soils are more moisture retentive and shed their nutrients more slowly because they have lots of clay... of course it's lots of clay glueing great big rocks together, but I digress.

Every climate has the advantages of its disadvantages: the climate resulting in thin soils with low inherent fertility is neither hot nor cold enough for temperature to be an issue in keeping animals alive either summer or winter. With more moisture retentive soils (those developed on cemented or uncemented glacial till or glacial muck, or most especially glacial-alluvial silts, which CR and CL almost certainly have, and maybe Illia) irrigation is not as much of an issue during the summer, when it is not uncommon to have less than an inch of rain for ten weeks starting the second week in July.

All of this is true for West of the Mountains only. East of the Mountains is dead dry, the soils are mostly volcanic in origin, and summer and winter temps are extreme. Excluding the Palouse- always excluding the Palouse, which gets 40 inches or so of rain a year and has soils that got blown in from elsewhere.

Had to look up Palouse, it looks like Kansas just ignore the the big water fall.

I think Kansas is a lot flatter: the Palouse hills top off at around 1000ft of vertical gain.

I know this all too well: I went to WSU, and my first apartment was a third-floor walk-up in a building (now demolished, near where Paul Allen's museum is now) on the top of one hill, and my 8am class was on the third story of a building where the elevators were...interesting, on the far side of campus. The shortest way was through Martin Field and taking the elevators from the field level (which was something like the -5 floor) to the plaza level, then walking five blocks downhill to the basement entrance and up three flights of stairs. Could have been worse, I suppose: could have lived in Orton and had my first class over in the fieldhouse.

I hear there's buses in that town these days.
 
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I know presactly what ya mean I remember my grandpa doing the same. I sometimes get VERY NICE heavy drums. Often they have a funny bunch of letters like USN or USAF or ARMY. I have no idea where they came from but are very heavy.
I will watch for some for ya.

I'm especially looking for the ones which were originally used for machine-grade grease and heavy hydraulic fluid. A 55 will hold a LOT of feed, and not have the lid pop off when a front comes through in the middle of the night.

I have an ex-oil or ex-furnace oil drum that CR didn't want --- bit rusty though ... I will also ask DS if he gets anything surplus like that at J&I ...
 
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woo hoo, good luck, hope you have family to cherish you as you deserve
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Look up "podzolic soils" and you'll get a thorough explanation of how and why they suck; not as bad as laterite but with many of the same problems. Add to that less than 13,000 years since glacial maxima and you've got a soil environment that has to be treated with respect to remain productive. I have 36 acres of pasture here and run a maximum of 16 cow/calf pairs, and suppliment with hay 8-9 months of the year, although when we irrigated and fertilized we could get three cuttings of hay. I'm on the extreme end of soil fragility, though, since I'm on sand. The Everson and Spanaway series soils are more moisture retentive and shed their nutrients more slowly because they have lots of clay... of course it's lots of clay glueing great big rocks together, but I digress.

Every climate has the advantages of its disadvantages: the climate resulting in thin soils with low inherent fertility is neither hot nor cold enough for temperature to be an issue in keeping animals alive either summer or winter. With more moisture retentive soils (those developed on cemented or uncemented glacial till or glacial muck, or most especially glacial-alluvial silts, which CR and CL almost certainly have, and maybe Illia) irrigation is not as much of an issue during the summer, when it is not uncommon to have less than an inch of rain for ten weeks starting the second week in July.

All of this is true for West of the Mountains only. East of the Mountains is dead dry, the soils are mostly volcanic in origin, and summer and winter temps are extreme. Excluding the Palouse- always excluding the Palouse, which gets 40 inches or so of rain a year and has soils that got blown in from elsewhere.

A couple of things. I lived in the Palouse for a few years. It has extreme temperatures (more so than when I lived in the Tri-Cities). It was not unusual for it to go up and down 50 degrees in one day. The loess is nice for growing things, but during harvest when they are kicking up all that dust/soil, and then burning the stubble, the air quality sucks.

The soil that I am used to is: Top inch or maybe two of organic things growing, (uncemented?) glacial till, and then hard pan (cemented glacial till?)

Yup, that's probably an Everson soil.

You were at WSU? I remember that weather well, but Pullman/Moscow/Colfax/Palouse/Union Flat Valley are reasonable compared to, say, Omak, Othello, or Yakima on both heat and cold, not to mention change in temps in 24 hours (she says, remembering one horrific trip to the Gorge when the temperatures dropped 40 degrees after sunset and nobody had a coat). TriCities and my Mom's birthplace of Prosser are also milder in the winter- they sort of loan their worst weather to Troutdale and Bingen, so to speak.

I speak in generalizations to keep the proclivity of our area to microclimatic chaos complicating the discussion even more than my sentence construction.
 
Well heck. More broody drama. Just went and checked on her and she's tossed 5 eggs out of the nest. I just candled them and they are so fully developed all I can see is darkness and the air sac. I'm not taking any more chances. I've fired up the incubator. She's still setting on 3 eggs, so did she toss them out because these 5 were no good now or what?
Whatever. We'll see what happens in the next few days. So now I'm wondering since these were so close to hatch date should I just put them in lock down with no turning?
 
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Depending on which was your wish.

Me, I'm generally in favor of babies, but they are a bit of work.
 
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Had to look up Palouse, it looks like Kansas just ignore the the big water fall.

I think Kansas is a lot flatter: the Palouse hills top off at around 1000ft of vertical gain.

I know this all too well: I went to WSU, and my first apartment was a third-floor walk-up in a building (now demolished, near where Paul Allen's museum is now) on the top of one hill, and my 8am class was on the third story of a building where the elevators were...interesting, on the far side of campus. The shortest way was through Martin Field and taking the elevators from the field level (which was something like the -5 floor) to the plaza level, then walking five blocks downhill to the basement entrance and up three flights of stairs. Could have been worse, I suppose: could have lived in Orton and had my first class over in the fieldhouse.

I hear there's buses in that town these days.

there's a lot of Kansas and it's not all the same; I'm familiar only with southern Kansas which is mostly prairie cut by deeper river valleys (See: Little House on the Prairie ... which speaks of the area near Independence where my dad was born and raised)

currently have a cousin living in Palouse --- and she's a hotshot realtor so if you want to know about housing there .... look up Patti Green-Kent
 
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There are river valleys with good soil, but for the most part we're talking glacial dirt.

I can sure tell you about our glacial till, since we had to dig holes to "perk" before we could install septic system

there are only TWO inches of anything approaching humus -- after that it assays out about 40% large rocks, 30% small rocks and gravel, 28% sand, and 2% clay and mixed soil

so it drains VERY well, you can drive anywhere on the supposed-to-be-lawn without bogging down, you can even park a heavy motorhome on it for months, and unless you let thatch build up, you won't get any moles or gophers and only a few voles, since the worms don't have enough to eat on it

long-time pastures and lawns with lots of fertilizer applied, do get mole tunnels ... I just get MOSS ....

Some day go out to the Mima Mounds to get an idea of what the native prairie looked like: not a whole lot of soil development, lots of moss and lichen, more like tundra than Great Plains style sod. Which distinction did not sink in to the first farmer's perceptions until it was too late. One of the epigrams I heard from the old'uns (who said Yellum instead of Yelm and used Chinook jargon without thinking): When Hudson Bay planted wheat here the first year they got a bumper crop like they'd never seen, the second year they got a normal crop, the third a very poor one and the fourth the sprouts died of starvation. There's some productive soils around the southern end of Puget Sound now but most of it is a result of a century or more of carefully building organic layers, and the best of it is paved over north of Auburn. or in subdivisions in the Evergreen Valley.

I learned my gardening on Yelm Prairie, so I don't complain too much about how picky I have to be about watering and fertilizing here!
 
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woo hoo, good luck, hope you have family to cherish you as you deserve
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I do. And Ive already told everyone to leave me outof there petty drama. So hopefully this time around will go much smoother!
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My DH is supportive, and very happy, and so far so is my family.
 
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