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[Chickielady]

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I can totally relate to that one. More than once I have called people about parking in the "blue zone". I am not very nice about that. I think the best was when I told a young guy he needed a placard to park in HC. He said "dude I am in a hurry". As I reached in the truck and started pulling out the tow chain. I told him part of that hurry better include moving that car or I will! Seems he didn't need to go into walmart that bad after all.

I love it CR.

I still feel guilty about using the HC space. I can walk, just hurts to walk. I am stubborn if I need to be, and I know I could walk into the store from the back forty if I needed too. But then I try to stand up when getting out of the car, and I am reminded why the doc let me have the placard.

We have been parking far out or around the side of box stores, the HC zones are always taken.
But it is OK, cuz I got a wheel chair...so I can roll.................

 

[ultasol]

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Well he returned my e-mail as well.
I before hand (2 weeks ago) asked terra about a turkey sized cage in which to display only, 4-5 Icelandics with a poster describing the breed so folks could see them.
She replied that she should ask Mr Decker.
She never got back to me, as am I am now counting how many crates I have, I e-mailed Decker myself & asked.
I told him I have my own table, just wanted to know $ of a turkey sized cage & if I could "display only" the birds such as some did at Stevenson with "psters" on Capons (you remember the Capon display there?)
He relied that IF I were to bring said birds that they would be entered in as show birds since it is an APA/ABA sanction show.
But, I was certainly welcome to enter them.
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Well, I have already sent in my show form, and if I bring the Icees to "display" (as an educational display mind you) I will have to pay the $3 entry fee per bird, and adjust $ for the larger cage, and set them in the appropriate line of cages for the show, rather than set my table & display over by Cloverleaf Farms with HER educational display she has for the Favs...............so what the heck????
Icelandics are NOT in the SOP or APA and yet he wants me to enter them????????????
Crap.
I do not get it, not many would see them..and how can you judge a pen of 6 Icelandics...all running about in one pen, especially when they are not in the SOP..and frankly, I doubt if they ever will be since each one is very different than the other, no standard could ever be set for what they SHOULD look like...

Sounds to me like a younger generation may need to step in and update things.

The difference is that capons are int he standard, and they were entered in the show at Stevenson- there was a capon only class, so entry fees were paid on each bird.

 

[ultasol]

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You can pretty much count on it.

On that note, I'm trying to decide if I want to haul a bunch of birds down just for a Sale Cage. I'm not sure I want to mess with it. Would anyone have any interest in WBS Ameraucanas, Barnie cockerels, or Buckeyes?

If so, please email and let me know. I can also give you my phone # then to if you'd like to talk.

God Bless,

You arent going to show?

 

[Chickielady]

This new e-mail from Mr Decker..after I sent him a large e-mail of the origins of the Icelandic breed and it's breed characteristics::::::::::

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I fail to see the connection between a randomly bred chicken from Iceland and an exhibition of Standard bred chickens. We have hundreds of varieties of standard bred chickens here in the united states that would seem to me to be more important if one is into preservation. Unless of course you were born in Iceland. I raise Mottled Javas which is a pretty rare breed. We have a hundred plus more breeds and varieties that need help. I looked at the pictures and what you have genetically in the Icelandic’s is a randomly bred blue red chicken of European background. I have seen flocks of Minor Blues which are a breed or strain or landrace if you care that are American fighting chickens that are randomly bred in the blue red color and the colors are pretty much the same as your Icelandic’s. You may make money because of the rarity but I believe that you are hurting not helping Standard bred poultry in the US by raising them.

As you can see from this discourse I am not high on the preservationists who just multiply birds mostly without culling for breed type and other attributes. Everyone is welcome to their own life and pursuits so please pretty much ignore the ramblings of this old Standard bred poultry-man.

Brian Decker

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I give up ..................... I probably have enough to do anyways..........right???
As it looks, I doubt seriously if he is going to allow us to set up the table & have a pot luck, he is suggesting the buffet if we want to get together & eat.
I am not going to take up that issue with him, about how I cannot eat at the buffet.
Tell him I have to have my own food & cannot eat at the banquet due to celiac disease ???
He will think I am the most arguementative woman in the world.

So, NO POT LUCK.

I will bring my lunch both days & eat it while I sit in my chair.

 

[ultasol]

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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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Stupid stuff all over the ground and coops here, too, although it's drizzling, and will probably be gone soon, I hope I hope I hope.

Feel less sick than I did yesterday morning, but then all I've done is let the dogs out, fed the cats, checked the chickies, and am now plowing my way through two slices of toast and a pile of pills. Haven't gotten to the Metformin yet, hoping for a miracle today and they won't make me feel as if my stomach is trying to turn inside out.

Stupid pills.

 

[Chickielady]

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Sounds to me like a younger generation may need to step in and update things.

The difference is that capons are int he standard, and they were entered in the show at Stevenson- there was a capon only class, so entry fees were paid on each bird.

he is not interested in my entering the Icelandics either, he feels they are basically just everyday inbred barn yard fowl....not a standard pure bred breed.
They have no class (Scandinavian Class?) and entering them would be basically a waste of money.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!

I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.

I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.

 

[Chickielady]

We have zero snow & temp is 41 degrees, it is downright BALMY!!!!!!!!!!

I am kinda glad that Mr Decker does not want the Icelandics there.
I get his drift about the Icelandics hurting the standard breeds, in that IF someone wants to "save" or "preserve" a breed, they can choose which to "save or preserve" and IF there are Sandinavian & Icelandic breeds available to have, they might choose them, meanwhile OUR standard breeds get kicked to the curb.
What did he say when silkies were imported & hit the poultry scene?
It is a strong stand to take for some old poultrymen, that we Americans should take care of our own, and let the Icelandic folks save their own, so to speak.
Please do not think the Asians will take care of (and thus "save") Silkies, cuz they just want to eat them!!!

I have asians here weekly looking for "black cheekun"

Took me a while to figure it out, but I got it now!!

OK, no pot luck, and I am sticking to my American breeds to bring.
So what will happen if HE is entering his mottled Javas?

Maybe I show change my name, or wear funny glasses & a big nose/mustache disguise?
I do not recall ever seeing but 1 mottled java, in recent years, and that was 1 pullet shown at Stevenson last show.

 

[ultasol]

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Did you ask if it is a space issue? It might be... I know we were short on space last year at this show. I am very sorry