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OK, I'm going against the grain here, seems it's what I do on here so here goes.

I am not siding with anyone. I feel terribly for the children and the surviving family. I do not know who is guilty of the crime of the missing wife. What I do know is in this country people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Josh Powell was not proven guilty YET. I do know the media is very powerful in filling our heads with a bunch of 'news'. The surviving family has been very influential in the way the media is pushing, pushing pushing this Josh Powell. Maybe he is guilty of killing his wife but the media needs to stop exploiting people. If they just let the investigators do their job without all the media attention maybe it wouldn't have pushed this Josh over the edge. Maybe something else happened to his wife and this was the only way he could see out of the misery the media created for him. Maybe he was driven to depression. Who knows. I do know that we can not judge anyone unless we have lived their life and in the end God is the only judge. The whole world judged this man. Yes, the evidence points in his direction and the investigation seemed to be making progress but maybe the lives of these children could have been spared if we all could just leave well enough alone and let the law do their job. I strongly believe this man was prematurely pushed with his back against a wall and saw no other way out but what he did. Ever hear of Post Partum Depression where women have killed their babies? It's a dark world to find yourself in. I think what we pushed this man into was very similar to that.

I believe the American people and the media needs to take some responsibility in this. Evil man, guilty man or not. JMHO


Josh Powell delt with his own mind, his guilts & innocents.
He had many issues in his mind~~~~~~~~~
No one knew he was living there....he did not want his wife to divorce him & take the boys (pow she's gone ! ), he did not want anyone to have his boys.
It is a fact of "If I can't have them, no one can"
 
No problem, I get it. People who have never experienced depression have no idea. I run into the same problem with people who have never raised a child with a disability. They judge but HAVE NO IDEA. Again, you cannot judge someone unless you have live their life. It APPEARS he knew everything he was doing but who are we to judge? We don't know the rationalization that was going on in his head. He probably would have been convicted and the kids still alive if we left them all alone.

CCG, I understand where you are coming from, and PARTIALLY agree. Depression can be a most horrible thing, and drive people to do crazy things. BUT, in the end, he not only took his own life (which belongs to him, so fair enough) but he took the lives of his children, and those lives didn't belong to him.

We must each and everyone of us take responsibility for our own acts, no matter how hard we are pushed. If I was a god believing person, I would say that God sends us these challenges and we need to face them, no matter how hard they are.

So, yes the media is often at fault for what they print, and prematurely at that. But, HE was STILL the party that took those children's lives. Each parent should be protecting his/her child from every evil this world has to offer. It is our responsibility and duty.

He knew what he was doing.
 
Finally the geese are in breeding pens.

They have been free ranging for about 5 months and they were not at all interested in cooperating.

It turned into quite the rodeo, the sebbies escaped after I had them penned, and really didn't want to go back in. . . .

And I managed to not land on my hind end, all is good.

The birds are now all playing in the pools, I guess they will not be to heart broken for long.
I had a similar problem to day. We had to get fence folk in to fix damage from the recent storm, and so I tethered the goats outside. When the guy left, they didn't turn the electric fence back on, so I had goats eating my landscaping, and hubby can't catch them (they are a bit scared of him) so I had to go get them. They are in the side yard now, tethered under a tree.

I only have one goose left, tufted Roman; the gander didn't get along with the ducks, he kept drowning the babies so we had to re-home him, (freon style). I'm sorry she won't have babies this year. Oh well. . .
 
Ok so I was on Craigs list and under free they have crates again. Im going to try and get one that is if no one on here takes them all.

Have a good day going to get the work done than head back to work...:he   It is so windy here I have the wind.....

Oh this looks like a great site
Im going to join.. It looks like it has good info
Whats its about Sustainable Eats and the the Dancing goat gardens communal project
www.sustainableeats.com
   Hope its ok I tell everyone about it..


Just started looking at this website and I LOVE IT!!! Thanks so much, Zgoat - I'm going to join, too!
 
Wow, I didn't know the two of you had known each other as kids, that's pretty cool!

Ha ! My brothers were not even born yet.
When my Dad went in the AF, we were with Daddy Leslie all the time...we were family & Leslie took care of his & my family.
Leslie and my father Vic, were best pals in GRADE SCHOOL.
So even now my brothers call DH & I a Incestual relationship !
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Every Thanksgiving, every holiday, every other plain old week end...we were together.
Out to the beach surf fishing...and all us kids got a bath like a litter of puppies.
Deer hunting...pheasant hunting...(dreaded walking the ditches in the rice fields with the dogs) Shark fishing off the San Mateo Bridge.............always together.
Lesl;ie is DH's Daddy who just lost his wife, DH's Mom last year.
Most remember the sad story.
She is seen on the right of the picture, my Mother on the left.
Now ya have a bit more insight as to why our home we are building will have an elevator & 4 foot wide hallways...and enough rooms for all our parents.
 
No problem, I get it. People who have never experienced depression have no idea. I run into the same problem with people who have never raised a child with a disability. They judge but HAVE NO IDEA. Again, you cannot judge someone unless you have live their life. It APPEARS he knew everything he was doing but who are we to judge? We don't know the rationalization that was going on in his head. He probably would have been convicted and the kids still alive if we left them all alone.


I have had depression very bad before, I admit it.
And no issue with the first born baby girl, nor my third baby girl, but with my son I got BAD post partum depression to the point of (ok lock me up) I remember sitting on the couch nursing him & just BAWLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I nailed the front door shut so my SD at the time could not come in...he was very active ((suddenly)) with another man....(!SIGH!!) yeah I locked his f*g a** out !!
So they sat in HIS car & steamed up the windows while I sat on the couch crying & nursing my baby boy.
Mothers have preservation & protection instincs for their babies....I do not think this guy did, I also think guilt was killing him.
That is an issue of hormonal imbalance.
I was over protective of my baby...never ever ever thinking of suicide nor killing my child !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I have had depression very bad before, I admit it.
And no issue with the first born baby girl, nor my third baby girl, but with my son I got BAD post partum depression to the point of (ok lock me up) I remember sitting on the couch nursing him & just BAWLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I nailed the front door shut so my SD at the time could not come in...he was very active ((suddenly)) with another man....(!SIGH!!) yeah I locked his f*g a** out !!
So they sat in HIS car & steamed up the windows while I sat on the couch crying & nursing my baby boy.
Mothers have preservation & protection instincs for their babies....I do not think this guy did, I also think guilt was killing him.
That is an issue of hormonal imbalance.
I was over protective of my baby...never ever ever thinking of suicide nor killing my child !!!!!!!!!!!!!


I also want to add:

Who is judging????????????? not I said the fly......Not me said the flea............He obviously felt they were HIS and they were going down with him so no one else could have them.
It is a big stick of jealousy......................and the last bit of his ego...all he had left, after all he had done to get the boys to himself~~~~~especially after his Dad turned out to be a freak pervert ~~~~~~~~~wasn't much left to do ?
 
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