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We do it all the time as long as the flavore (if flavored) goes with the meal! Go for it.
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Farmin Momma said:
I am pretty sure that if you take out those extra laying areas they will just go in and lay in the nest boxes in your coop. As far as possibly stressing them out, when ever I rearange things in my coop it does kind of stress them a bit and some of the girls may stop laying for a day or two. But other than that it is no biggy.
Ok, look you are turning my words around. I did not say all poor people should go live in tents, if you need to go back and look. I said that if there were no other choices for me to keep my kids out of the dangerous school that you described that I would personaly go live in a tent if I had to, to keep my kids safe! Yes I will always do what I have to to keep my children SAFE no if, ands, or buts about it. I had my time to do what I wanted with my life and I gave that up at 16 to become a parent and do not regret any of it. Now my life is for my 5 children and my husband, even if it came down to haveing to send my children to live with a family member untill I was able to move out of the bad area it would kill me and break my heart but I would do it to make sure that my kids were save period!
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Well, the way I see it is this: I said our prison system is corrupt and our laws are designed to put a disproportionate number of nonviolent poor and Black or Hispanic men in prison. Then you said that people who choose to commit crimes deserve punishment. And I cited the example about my ex's son, who committed crime because he did not really have a better choice. Then you blamed it on the child's parents and said you would take your kids to go live in a tent rather than send them to a school with those kinds of problems. I take offense to that judgment because raising children properly in a tent isn't really all that feasible, and there aren't exactly a lot of open lots in "good" neighborhoods in which to do this.

And for the record, my ex was a terrible father. Largely absentee. Rarely paid child support. The child was living with extended family already because of discord with his stepfather at home. My ex was a compulsive liar, a drug addict, a criminal, certainly not a role model. Our relationship did not last very long because of all of these things (I was very young and extremely naive and it took me a little while to figure it out). And while I won't claim his son's troubles aren't due to his failings as a parent, it's a complicated issue. Believe it or not, his son has had a better childhood than he did, and that is despite being in juvenile detention! The underlying thread of the whole family's saga is two-fold: poverty and alcoholism/addiction.
 
itsren said:
I grew up very poor. I totally understand what it is like having nothing and wondering if we were going to eat each day. I grew up in a house that was falling down around me, with a huge hole in the floor. Staring at the dirt below used to scare me.

In the case of the child I mentioned - no one is trying to take the child away. The child had been offered a place to sleep at night to have a warm bed. The parent is scared and won't accept help. They have been sleeping outside the apartment complex where a warm bed was offered. It's not a foster situation at all. The people who offered the bed, and were turned down by the parent, did end up calling CPS to see if they could help convince the parent to let the child sleep in a warm bed, and CPS told them it wasn't a CPS issue at all. There has to be drugs or abuse involved before CPS will step in.
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So, you get it. You get that there are not "always options" to get out of poverty or get out of the bad situations poverty forces people into. As far as the child, was s/he not provided proper blankets to stay warm in the tent?
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Farmin Momma said:
I was in no way saying you are unfit for our discussion, I was simply saying that it is hard for somone who does not have kids to understand the actual situations, feelings and thoughts that parents go through. That is all, the reason why I tried ending our conversation politely is because we got off our main topic, you seemed (to me) to be getting upset and at times twisting what I was saying around, and we have different ideas which is just fine. Like I said before I do not wish to make you think the way I do, but though we could have a pleasant conversation about what we both think yet it dose not seem that is how it was going. The only reason I am continueing is because I do not want any bad air here.
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Well I wasn't really trying to have a discussion about kids. I was simply using an example involving a kid I used to know to demonstrate how crime isn't always a choice. I find that when people disagree, the best course of action is to stick to facts and insights about the topic, rather than try to discredit individuals.
 
Dang it, the kid is still asleep (started the nap late, sadly) and there is no way I will make it down to Seattle and back in time for the Meetup.
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to miss this one, too. He needs to get some good sleep. The neighbors were running the bulldozer again right between our houses on some other part of their huge remodeling project. I just want to run out there and strangle someone when they do it during nap time!!!!
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