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I have been wondering about bears and how often we might encounter them.
I have been wondering about bears and how often we might encounter them.
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How can I get in touch with Jean? I went to vaccinate my chicks for Marek's today and. lo, my refrigerator was bare. Totally forgot I'd lent out both the Marek's and Fowl Pox to other parties recently. I'd LOVE to share on shipping costs this way but, if I'm not sure I can get it at Stevenson, I want to order it now.
How can I get in touch with Jean? I went to vaccinate my chicks for Marek's today and. lo, my refrigerator was bare. Totally forgot I'd lent out both the Marek's and Fowl Pox to other parties recently. I'd LOVE to share on shipping costs this way but, if I'm not sure I can get it at Stevenson, I want to order it now.
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Isn't that the OPPOSITE of immunity? You're using a drug to supposedly fight off the disease, not the flock. . .
Thus the bird itself has no clue how to actually prepare its body to fight sickness.
Of course I've got some for you too!!
Most of the vaccines are iradiated or other wise injured virus, which makes them very weak, but allows the bird's immunal system a chance to build immunity towards the bug..and the bug in weakened so cannot harm the birds.
Do you vaccinate ?
Do you get a fly shot evey year ?
I did not get one last year despite the commotion of the Mexican flu (H1N1) swine flu from mexico...but maybe I will this year...Cheryl already had a flu this season, maybe it will be bad this year ?
To Ilia: Do you know how measles and mumps was almost entirely eliminated? How polio, which used to be the #1 cause of disability and a big killer of children, was eliminated? By vaccinating a majority of the children, even when one child got sick the rest had antigens so that their lymphocytes (white blood cells) recognized the disease and was able to fight it off. The outbreaks of whooping cough in CA, and other almost eradicated diseases of childhood have occurred in populations of schoolchildren that had a significant number of unvaccinated individuals.
By the way, I just did a paper on the supposed autism and vaccine link. There is NO hard scientific evidence to back that up... not even in studies comparing vaccination records with the number of those children who have autism and visa versa.
If you trade, sell, show, or swap birds, or have anything other than a closed flock, vaccination can be a prudent way to protect your birds health.
As usual, ultasol, you have eloquently and succinctly written what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words for. Good post!
Isn't that the OPPOSITE of immunity? You're using a drug to supposedly fight off the disease, not the flock. . .
Of course I've got some for you too!!
Most of the vaccines are iradiated or other wise injured virus, which makes them very weak, but allows the bird's immunal system a chance to build immunity towards the bug..and the bug in weakened so cannot harm the birds.
Do you vaccinate ?
Do you get a fly shot evey year ?
I did not get one last year despite the commotion of the Mexican flu (H1N1) swine flu from mexico...but maybe I will this year...Cheryl already had a flu this season, maybe it will be bad this year ?
To Ilia: Do you know how measles and mumps was almost entirely eliminated? How polio, which used to be the #1 cause of disability and a big killer of children, was eliminated? By vaccinating a majority of the children, even when one child got sick the rest had antigens so that their lymphocytes (white blood cells) recognized the disease and was able to fight it off. The outbreaks of whooping cough in CA, and other almost eradicated diseases of childhood have occurred in populations of schoolchildren that had a significant number of unvaccinated individuals.
By the way, I just did a paper on the supposed autism and vaccine link. There is NO hard scientific evidence to back that up... not even in studies comparing vaccination records with the number of those children who have autism and visa versa.
If you trade, sell, show, or swap birds, or have anything other than a closed flock, vaccination can be a prudent way to protect your birds health.
As usual, ultasol, you have eloquently and succinctly written what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words for. Good post!
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Well I guess I can't complain much about my locally produced "nearly organic" feed. The price just went up and is now $9.85 for 50#.
We would be havin chicken dinner before I would pay $26 for a bag of feed.
where do you get that feed from? That's a great price! Is that for layer feed??
Well I guess I can't complain much about my locally produced "nearly organic" feed. The price just went up and is now $9.85 for 50#.
We would be havin chicken dinner before I would pay $26 for a bag of feed.
where do you get that feed from? That's a great price! Is that for layer feed??
Cheryl.
Right now I'm not happy with the 4sq feet per bird in the coop
All my coops are standing coops. None of my runs are covered so when it rains hard they will go stand under the coop.
Only time they go into the coop is to eat, lay, sleep.
If your chickens have no where else to go in hard rains and can't stand under the coop then space might be a concern if they go into the coop during the day all together.
I got to thinking about how much time and what time they spend in there and came to the conclusion all of these so called rules for space on forums really depends on type of coop if your chickens can get out of the rain without going into the coop.
If one has them locked up till 9:00 in the morning due to work or some other situation I can understand.
My chickens spend every day light minute outside or under the coop when hard weather hits.
All my coops are standing coops. None of my runs are covered so when it rains hard they will go stand under the coop.
Only time they go into the coop is to eat, lay, sleep.
If your chickens have no where else to go in hard rains and can't stand under the coop then space might be a concern if they go into the coop during the day all together.
I got to thinking about how much time and what time they spend in there and came to the conclusion all of these so called rules for space on forums really depends on type of coop if your chickens can get out of the rain without going into the coop.
If one has them locked up till 9:00 in the morning due to work or some other situation I can understand.
My chickens spend every day light minute outside or under the coop when hard weather hits.
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Have you ever had experience with bears before? They will destroy your hives...I used to have a friend (lost the friend in the divorce) who raised bees and he had multiple hives just massacred by bears. They will destroy a set of hives in no time. There are "cages" that you can get for bees.....but knowing your creativity....I bet you could build one. I think if the birds are in a coop that the bear would not be able to get them...I would think they would be more likely to go after the hives and goats. They are getting cranky since cold weather is coming on. Or, as you stated....go get a bear tag. Bear summer sausage and roasts are great. And there is no better lard for everything from pie crusts and bisquits to greasing your work boots than bear tallow. I have rendered down bear fat.....btw, a long and tedious chore...but well worth it.
Good luck.
Have you ever had experience with bears before? They will destroy your hives...I used to have a friend (lost the friend in the divorce) who raised bees and he had multiple hives just massacred by bears. They will destroy a set of hives in no time. There are "cages" that you can get for bees.....but knowing your creativity....I bet you could build one. I think if the birds are in a coop that the bear would not be able to get them...I would think they would be more likely to go after the hives and goats. They are getting cranky since cold weather is coming on. Or, as you stated....go get a bear tag. Bear summer sausage and roasts are great. And there is no better lard for everything from pie crusts and bisquits to greasing your work boots than bear tallow. I have rendered down bear fat.....btw, a long and tedious chore...but well worth it.
Good luck.
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www.patriotfarmandbison.com There is also currently another one on CL. They are in the Toledo area. I plan to check them out.
www.patriotfarmandbison.com There is also currently another one on CL. They are in the Toledo area. I plan to check them out.
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Holy Cow !!!! I have been finding raccon poo all over...saw quite a few on the wildlife cam, and we have caught 1 brown smallish rat and 2 black bear-like faced wood rats in the last 2 days!!!
Holy Cow !!!! I have been finding raccon poo all over...saw quite a few on the wildlife cam, and we have caught 1 brown smallish rat and 2 black bear-like faced wood rats in the last 2 days!!!
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I also work with a vulnerable population (children). Plus, my husband and I are trying to have another child so I had to get one too and I often feel low afterwards. However I and all of my children are vaccinated. Heck my dogs are vaccinated. Our family doc was around before the rotavirus vaccine was developed and recalls seeing kids get very ill or die due to what is now a preventable illness.
I think it's like the man in Tenessee who's home burnt down becasue he had not paid a $75 fee. (This is horrible. I didn't know you *could* opt out of basic services like fire. I wonder if they can opt out of police? Seems dangerous.) You don't think vaccines are important until your chlid gets sick or God forbid dies, due to something they could have been immunized against. It's insurance on your own health and that of your children. You don't think you need it, and want to be as "natual" as possible (vaccines are natural and they stimulate your own immune system) until you do need it (you travel or you child travels) and your immune system couldn't handle it and you regret it. As far as Autism being linked ot vaccines I think that's suprious and has been disproved. I htink there are more educated providers and teachers and more kids are getting diagnosed, not that there's more autism.
I also work with a vulnerable population (children). Plus, my husband and I are trying to have another child so I had to get one too and I often feel low afterwards. However I and all of my children are vaccinated. Heck my dogs are vaccinated. Our family doc was around before the rotavirus vaccine was developed and recalls seeing kids get very ill or die due to what is now a preventable illness.
I think it's like the man in Tenessee who's home burnt down becasue he had not paid a $75 fee. (This is horrible. I didn't know you *could* opt out of basic services like fire. I wonder if they can opt out of police? Seems dangerous.) You don't think vaccines are important until your chlid gets sick or God forbid dies, due to something they could have been immunized against. It's insurance on your own health and that of your children. You don't think you need it, and want to be as "natual" as possible (vaccines are natural and they stimulate your own immune system) until you do need it (you travel or you child travels) and your immune system couldn't handle it and you regret it. As far as Autism being linked ot vaccines I think that's suprious and has been disproved. I htink there are more educated providers and teachers and more kids are getting diagnosed, not that there's more autism.
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I asked who was getting this flu shot cuz I do have a compromised immunal system in that it is hyperactive, and I have Celiac Disease as a result...so while my blood looks like I have a huge infection somewhere by the ba-zillions of lymphocites swimming in there...I do not have an infection and quite often my immunal lymphocytes attack me...in the form of rashes, sore throats, pnuemonia and celiac disease, addisons and maybe more depending on wether it (the immunal system) is in a good mood or not...anaphalactic shock is one thing I do not want.
Don't know if a flu shot is a good idea for me or not, guess I better call my doc.
I do immunize my birds, all but Coryza and ILT...I do not want to do MG, I have done Marek's and Newcastle...Newcastle very bad in California and half my birds are from Calif, that is where they were immunized.
I would like to do ILT though, what a nasty disease that is!!!
I asked who was getting this flu shot cuz I do have a compromised immunal system in that it is hyperactive, and I have Celiac Disease as a result...so while my blood looks like I have a huge infection somewhere by the ba-zillions of lymphocites swimming in there...I do not have an infection and quite often my immunal lymphocytes attack me...in the form of rashes, sore throats, pnuemonia and celiac disease, addisons and maybe more depending on wether it (the immunal system) is in a good mood or not...anaphalactic shock is one thing I do not want.
Don't know if a flu shot is a good idea for me or not, guess I better call my doc.
I do immunize my birds, all but Coryza and ILT...I do not want to do MG, I have done Marek's and Newcastle...Newcastle very bad in California and half my birds are from Calif, that is where they were immunized.
I would like to do ILT though, what a nasty disease that is!!!
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