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[Chickielady]

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woah, woah baby ! Is this for real ?
I have 3 50# sacks of this beautiful stuff right out in my feed store....I have heard these same stories for decades, and have dusted my birds and dog food...but never have taken myself although I have friends who swear by it...I guess I better try it.
It has gotten me thinking,,,I just wormed my birds, and what about me ?
50 years and never been wormed ?
50 years of babies, horses, dogs cats,cattle, lambs in the kitchen, kittens, wormy puppies... men and cleaning motels, hotels, baby butts, guinea pigs, fish, chickens, geese, guinea hens....women clean poop their entire lives...why do I worm my animals religiously but never myself, and I feel so bad~~~~~~
Greg, one good point after another!

 

[Chickielady]

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See, that is the kind of weekend I love !!!
Campfire, a fantastic outdoor dinner...oh yeah!!!

I cooked probably 3/4 of our meals over the campfire (wet campfire), but I got it done. bisquits and gravy for breakfast, good ole' hot dogs for lunch and steaks and 'taters for dinner one day. Even the rain could not "blanket" our weekend. Had a great time. Did no fishing, though. I asked the hubby if the fish minded getting "wet from the rain"....he glared at me. He saw no humor in it. I thought it was funny.. We did not go fishing.

we gotta meet up and do a weekend with both boats !!!!

 

[ultasol]

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Interesting indeed, but I don't like how those posts have been supporting Murray McMurray or Ideal Hatchery, claiming that they keep the lines going. They don't. Ideal has been crossing Blue Wheaten and Wheaten Ameraucanas with the original stock as well as Production layers for quite some time, AND, Murray McMurray also has been using the same ol stock for a LONG time as well as adding Production layers to the genepool. Hatcheries should never be praised for breeding something and keeping it right.

Same thing with many breeds. Surveys done through the ALBC and elsewhere have highly inflated numbers for many breeds of poultry that really ARE rare because all of the hatchery line birds are counted, despite the fact that a hatchery bird and an exhibition bird of that same breed/variety placed side by side look like different breeds.

Take the wyandotte for instance. Compare a white wyandotte from a hatchery to a wyandotte bred to standard. Compare them in shape, type, size, comb quality, leg color, beak color... at the LEAST the hatchery bird will be at least half the size of the true wyandotte. Standard bred poultry are, in general, in need of preservation.

Part of the reason I keep Dewlap Toulouse despite the fact that they are hard to hatch and eat quite a lot (well, they do grow quickly, so there is payoff) is because they truly are in need of preservation. Most of the toulouse are the production type, which is quite different from the dewlap toulouse.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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I cooked probably 3/4 of our meals over the campfire (wet campfire), but I got it done. bisquits and gravy for breakfast, good ole' hot dogs for lunch and steaks and 'taters for dinner one day. Even the rain could not "blanket" our weekend. Had a great time. Did no fishing, though. I asked the hubby if the fish minded getting "wet from the rain"....he glared at me. He saw no humor in it. I thought it was funny.. We did not go fishing.

we gotta meet up and do a weekend with both boats !!!!

I would love to. Sounds like lots of fun. We will have to plan something next year.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

Okay, I have a question...probably an odd one...but I need to know. How do I know if my "girls" are in good flesh? By this I mean...How do I know if they have enough weight on them? They have shels and grit at their disposal. they have constant feed of layer...I am going to get another feeder for grains or "scratch". They are let out on a regular basis for as much "grazing" as they want..bugs, lawn, my vegetable garden, etc. They also get regular goodies: Bread, veggies, fruit, noodles, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc. But when I pick them up I seem to be able to feel their breast bone. They look nice and fat and healthy....or is this just "fluffy? I am concerned. Should I worm? Do I need to change up their diet? Vitamins?

 

[Greg Richardson]

Chickie Lady, Rob, please let me know what you experience.
I bought some today.
Shipping was more then product. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Once I get it I'm going to get my whole family to take it and see what happens.

 

[hallerlake]

I don't know that the author was praising the hatcheries so much as saying that some of the genes were being preserved by the hatcheries, however inadvertently. I don't think anyone imagines they're doing it on purpose.

Their bottom lines are all they care about. Be that as it may, my partridge EE really does look very much like the pictures of the Quechua chickens, and there are a lot of similar looking birds on the EE threads. The author was saying that anyone interested could take them as a starting point, and then work to eliminate certain "foreign" traits like yellow legs and odd colors. He also recommends, if interested, in getting a Quechua rooster to reinforce the original genetics.




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Interesting indeed, but I don't like how those posts have been supporting Murray McMurray or Ideal Hatchery, claiming that they keep the lines going. They don't. Ideal has been crossing Blue Wheaten and Wheaten Ameraucanas with the original stock as well as Production layers for quite some time, AND, Murray McMurray also has been using the same ol stock for a LONG time as well as adding Production layers to the genepool. Hatcheries should never be praised for breeding something and keeping it right.

Chickielady - My Tolbunt boys are old enough to fertilize eggs now, otherwise I don't have Tolbunt girls, so I'm crossing them to my other Polish (Silver Laced, etc) And hatching those. . .

Really would love a Gold Laced hen or pullet if anyone has any though!

 

[hallerlake]

In this case, the author is saying they are different breeds. The hatchery EEs are bastardized Quechua. Quechua are not Araucanas or Ameraucanas. They're not even bastardized Araucanas or bastardized Ameraucanas. .




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Interesting indeed, but I don't like how those posts have been supporting Murray McMurray or Ideal Hatchery, claiming that they keep the lines going. They don't. Ideal has been crossing Blue Wheaten and Wheaten Ameraucanas with the original stock as well as Production layers for quite some time, AND, Murray McMurray also has been using the same ol stock for a LONG time as well as adding Production layers to the genepool. Hatcheries should never be praised for breeding something and keeping it right.

Same thing with many breeds. Surveys done through the ALBC and elsewhere have highly inflated numbers for many breeds of poultry that really ARE rare because all of the hatchery line birds are counted, despite the fact that a hatchery bird and an exhibition bird of that same breed/variety placed side by side look like different breeds.

Take the wyandotte for instance. Compare a white wyandotte from a hatchery to a wyandotte bred to standard. Compare them in shape, type, size, comb quality, leg color, beak color... at the LEAST the hatchery bird will be at least half the size of the true wyandotte. Standard bred poultry are, in general, in need of preservation.

Part of the reason I keep Dewlap Toulouse despite the fact that they are hard to hatch and eat quite a lot (well, they do grow quickly, so there is payoff) is because they truly are in need of preservation. Most of the toulouse are the production type, which is quite different from the dewlap toulouse.

 

[Rainwolf]

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[Rainwolf]

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