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And this is our Kona.
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I'll look and see if I have a better pic somewhere else. Cause my hard drive was wiped when I changed my operating system...
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Yes my neighbor feeds the coons, they allow them to use the area under their deck as a den...
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I just want to reach out and give her a big old Smack upside the head. Cause she has young grandchildren who come over ALL the time, and play on that deck.

Wheazy is doing just fine. The Vet said that IF she is prego, then the pup is really good at hiding. She came out yesterday and checked both girls, used a handheld ultrasound on Wheazy, and saw NOTHING!
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She also looked at Kona. Kona is supposed to be fixed, but the Vet isn't so sure that the scar is from a spay... Said the placement is wrong for a spay scar... It completely blows my mind. I might have to take Kona in to the actually Vets office and have her checked over...

If it turns out that Kona isn't spayed like we were told, then she will be altered, as I REALLY don't need pups. Oh we were told that we are WRONG on Kona's breed. She isn't a mutt! She is a Newzealand Huntaway...

Wheazy on the other hand... I am not allowed to spay. Unfortunately their is a contract with the breeder, that states that she must have 1 liter before being spayed... I didn't originally buy Wheazy, I took her in as a foster 3 years ago, and she just never left. Now she is a permenant resident in my little home.

I sure do get myself into some odd predicaments don't I?

The contract should only be good as long as Wheazy is with the people that signed the contract. The contract is a legal agreement between buyer and the breeder, and not a foster home and the breeder I am a bit surprised that the original owners weren't required to return her to the breeder if they couldn't keep her. If you are fostering her for the breeder it might be a different story. But unless you signed the contract with the breeder, you could not be held to the terms of the contract, that was signed by the original buyers. If you are able to contact the breeder, I would ask them for a time limit on how long you have to deal with an unaltered Grump, that they didn't place correctly into a forever home. I know from experience that a breeder can not guarantee a placement nor can a new owner guarantee they can keep the dog for it's entire life, but why breed more puppies, that don't have homes to go to? I think that by the time a animal is placed into foster care, and left there for more than a year let alone three years. Then the foster parent should be able to care for the animal as they see fit. Most rescue groups require that in order for the animal to be placed in to their care, that the group has all legal rights to the animal, and most groups will have the animal spayed then and there. The breeder looses any legal claim on the animal, once it is in rescue. The breeder would only have rights to the animal, by taking it back from the original buyers and keeping it. Unless there is a lot more to the story, at three years Wheazy is your dog. I would have her spayed.
 
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Yes my neighbor feeds the coons, they allow them to use the area under their deck as a den...
smack.gif
I just want to reach out and give her a big old Smack upside the head. Cause she has young grandchildren who come over ALL the time, and play on that deck.

Wheazy is doing just fine. The Vet said that IF she is prego, then the pup is really good at hiding. She came out yesterday and checked both girls, used a handheld ultrasound on Wheazy, and saw NOTHING!
th.gif
She also looked at Kona. Kona is supposed to be fixed, but the Vet isn't so sure that the scar is from a spay... Said the placement is wrong for a spay scar... It completely blows my mind. I might have to take Kona in to the actually Vets office and have her checked over...

If it turns out that Kona isn't spayed like we were told, then she will be altered, as I REALLY don't need pups. Oh we were told that we are WRONG on Kona's breed. She isn't a mutt! She is a Newzealand Huntaway...

Wheazy on the other hand... I am not allowed to spay. Unfortunately their is a contract with the breeder, that states that she must have 1 liter before being spayed... I didn't originally buy Wheazy, I took her in as a foster 3 years ago, and she just never left. Now she is a permenant resident in my little home.

I sure do get myself into some odd predicaments don't I?

The contract should only be good as long as Wheazy is with the people that signed the contract. The contract is a legal agreement between buyer and the breeder, and not a foster home and the breeder I am a bit surprised that the original owners weren't required to return her to the breeder if they couldn't keep her. If you are fostering her for the breeder it might be a different story. But unless you signed the contract with the breeder, you could not be held to the terms of the contract, that was signed by the original buyers. If you are able to contact the breeder, I would ask them for a time limit on how long you have to deal with an unaltered Grump, that they didn't place correctly into a forever home. I know from experience that a breeder can not guarantee a placement nor can a new owner guarantee they can keep the dog for it's entire life, but why breed more puppies, that don't have homes to go to? I think that by the time a animal is placed into foster care, and left there for more than a year let alone three years. Then the foster parent should be able to care for the animal as they see fit. Most rescue groups require that in order for the animal to be placed in to their care, that the group has all legal rights to the animal, and most groups will have the animal spayed then and there. The breeder looses any legal claim on the animal, once it is in rescue. The breeder would only have rights to the animal, by taking it back from the original buyers and keeping it. Unless there is a lot more to the story, at three years Wheazy is your dog. I would have her spayed.

I'm sorry, I guess what I meant by "foster" was that she wasn't suposed to stay more than a month with me. But to this day, the original purchaser still hasn't gotten his crud in line. So she is now MY dog. She is even registered to me. But, I was under the impression, that because the breeder "and I say that lightly," signed the dog over to me. That somehow, the contract was binding to me also... BUT it shouldn't be, because I signed nothing except the transfer of ownership/registration papers. When I met the "breeder" I was not impressed, more like concerned. That was the last time that I spoke to her.
 
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The contract should only be good as long as Wheazy is with the people that signed the contract. The contract is a legal agreement between buyer and the breeder, and not a foster home and the breeder I am a bit surprised that the original owners weren't required to return her to the breeder if they couldn't keep her. If you are fostering her for the breeder it might be a different story. But unless you signed the contract with the breeder, you could not be held to the terms of the contract, that was signed by the original buyers. If you are able to contact the breeder, I would ask them for a time limit on how long you have to deal with an unaltered Grump, that they didn't place correctly into a forever home. I know from experience that a breeder can not guarantee a placement nor can a new owner guarantee they can keep the dog for it's entire life, but why breed more puppies, that don't have homes to go to? I think that by the time a animal is placed into foster care, and left there for more than a year let alone three years. Then the foster parent should be able to care for the animal as they see fit. Most rescue groups require that in order for the animal to be placed in to their care, that the group has all legal rights to the animal, and most groups will have the animal spayed then and there. The breeder looses any legal claim on the animal, once it is in rescue. The breeder would only have rights to the animal, by taking it back from the original buyers and keeping it. Unless there is a lot more to the story, at three years Wheazy is your dog. I would have her spayed.

I'm sorry, I guess what I meant by "foster" was that she wasn't suposed to stay more than a month with me. But to this day, the original purchaser still hasn't gotten his crud in line. So she is now MY dog. She is even registered to me. But, I was under the impression, that because the breeder "and I say that lightly," signed the dog over to me. That somehow, the contract was binding to me also... BUT it shouldn't be, because I signed nothing except the transfer of ownership/registration papers. When I met the "breeder" I was not impressed, more like concerned. That was the last time that I spoke to her.

I agree with you. You don't owe the breeder anything, and never have. I just noticed, because I have been breeding Yorkies. A breeder that is serious about placing grumps, while still wanting to ensure future litters, will be showing their dogs, and no doubt showing the grump that has the contract on her. That would be the only legitimate reason for the contract in the first place. It sounds as though you were dealing with someone that is a puppy mill and wanted to maximize their profit at any cost. I would never dream of that type of clause in a contract. I would rather require all the puppies born here, be spayed or neutered. If they aren't I have a tendency to make the buyer pay for the breeding rights. I am pleased that for the most part people are more than willing to alter their puppies, than deal with the hassles of breeding. And I can assure everyone that it is a hassle to chase after nasty little poopy puppies.
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especially the ones that like to make faces at big tender dogs.
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I checked out the New Zealand Huntaway what a cool dog. When I saw her picture the first thing I thought was what a great Rotty mix. But after looking up the New Zealand Huntaway I can see that she fits that breed even better. It is very interesting that you are supposed to teach them what to bark at, and that they can learn that very quickly. I hadn't heard about the breed before this.

I have found that most shelters don't have a clue about breeds. They may know the most common breeds in their area, but most of them don't have a clue about the lesser known breeds. There is a guy the walks his dog locally, and one day I had to stop and tell what a cool Briard mix that he had. He told me that the shelter had thought is was some totally different breed mix. I know I was looking at a Briard with ultra short legs. So while I still haven't figure out the other parent, I know that one of the parents was pure Briard. Of course it helps that I wouldn't mind owning a Briard some day. of course a Bergamasco would be even better IMO.
 
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All three of my dogs come with a long story. lol Kona was a tip that my DH was given... The guy said if DH didn't take the dog, he was going to take it out back and "dispose" of it... So we took the pethetic little thing home, and she has turned out to be an awsome dog! Very vocal, and oh so energetic. I need to do some more research, I'm hoping that my DH falls in love with this breed, and will forget the Fila Brasileiro that he wants.
 
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Yes my neighbor feeds the coons, they allow them to use the area under their deck as a den...
smack.gif
I just want to reach out and give her a big old Smack upside the head. Cause she has young grandchildren who come over ALL the time, and play on that deck.

Wheazy is doing just fine. The Vet said that IF she is prego, then the pup is really good at hiding. She came out yesterday and checked both girls, used a handheld ultrasound on Wheazy, and saw NOTHING!
th.gif
She also looked at Kona. Kona is supposed to be fixed, but the Vet isn't so sure that the scar is from a spay... Said the placement is wrong for a spay scar... It completely blows my mind. I might have to take Kona in to the actually Vets office and have her checked over...

If it turns out that Kona isn't spayed like we were told, then she will be altered, as I REALLY don't need pups. Oh we were told that we are WRONG on Kona's breed. She isn't a mutt! She is a Newzealand Huntaway...

Wheazy on the other hand... I am not allowed to spay. Unfortunately their is a contract with the breeder, that states that she must have 1 liter before being spayed... I didn't originally buy Wheazy, I took her in as a foster 3 years ago, and she just never left. Now she is a permenant resident in my little home.

I sure do get myself into some odd predicaments don't I?

The contract should only be good as long as Wheazy is with the people that signed the contract. The contract is a legal agreement between buyer and the breeder, and not a foster home and the breeder I am a bit surprised that the original owners weren't required to return her to the breeder if they couldn't keep her. If you are fostering her for the breeder it might be a different story. But unless you signed the contract with the breeder, you could not be held to the terms of the contract, that was signed by the original buyers. If you are able to contact the breeder, I would ask them for a time limit on how long you have to deal with an unaltered Grump, that they didn't place correctly into a forever home. I know from experience that a breeder can not guarantee a placement nor can a new owner guarantee they can keep the dog for it's entire life, but why breed more puppies, that don't have homes to go to? I think that by the time a animal is placed into foster care, and left there for more than a year let alone three years. Then the foster parent should be able to care for the animal as they see fit. Most rescue groups require that in order for the animal to be placed in to their care, that the group has all legal rights to the animal, and most groups will have the animal spayed then and there. The breeder looses any legal claim on the animal, once it is in rescue. The breeder would only have rights to the animal, by taking it back from the original buyers and keeping it. Unless there is a lot more to the story, at three years Wheazy is your dog. I would have her spayed.

I don't know all the laws and rules regarding all the above....but I would have to agree with justbugged - get her spayed.
 
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