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[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

OMG!!!!!!!!! Is it ever going to stop raining?

We are going to an archery shoot this weekend up on the loop. It is at the bottom of the ski hill (no longer skiiing). One of the areas (lower spot) that we normally have a 3D shoot is under 5 foot of water....guess we need to bring our waders for that one.

They are actually calling for snow in some areas. This is nuts. I truly do not think it is ever going to warm up.

 

[Cowgirlgrace]

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One more question and I have to get some sleep. I appreciate your knowledge though!
Can vaccinated birds give it to ones that have not been? Are all hatchery birds vaccinated or do you have to ask upon purchase? Ok, so that was 2 Q's after all.

Just so much to learn!

IF you use a modified live vaccine, then yes vaccinated birds will shed the virus and be a carrier for life, and will give the virus to other birds. You should only use a killed vaccine unless you have an outbreak and are trying to control losses, in which case you just use whatever you can get your hands on.

If a bird vaccinated with a modified live vaccine will shed the virus, be a carrier and give it to other birds why would you only use a killed vaccine when it's all you can get? Wouldn't killed be prefered over the modified live?

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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Sheesh, thanks a lot. Told you, I was a bad hostess....

SERIOUSLY!! I was just kidding!! I mean that now!!!

I know.....

No worries. It is all good.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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SERIOUSLY!! I was just kidding!! I mean that now!!!

Yes, we were only teasing!!!

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I know....just had to throw it back at you guys...it is all good.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

TouchO'Lass :

I am so incredibly relieved that it couldn't possibly have been my dogs! They've been exonerated, but at the cost of more animals suffering.

AND, if either of mine is seen, they could be mistaken and shot for the coyote mix strays that are doing the damage. I have just over 5 acres that they stay on 90% of the time, but even if they're seen on my own property, they could be shot. http://bestsmileys.com/anxious/3.gif
How can I be so relieved and have my guts in such turmoil at the same time??

Now let's add a week of forecasted rainstorms...

Aaacchhh. Too much drama. Thanks fer lis'nin...

Hi there...Please do not take what I am going to ask wrong.

First off, I am so glad it is not your dogs. I feel bad for you neighbor..and the poor animals.

Question: What makes you think they are coyote crosses? Domesticated dogs are just as big of killers. Especially if they get running in packs. Are they maybe ferral dogs - ones that had been dumped by someone?

Keep your birdies safe. Let us know how it goes. I am many pages behind, so maybe you have already told us​

 

[cmsdvm]

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One more question and I have to get some sleep. I appreciate your knowledge though!
Can vaccinated birds give it to ones that have not been? Are all hatchery birds vaccinated or do you have to ask upon purchase? Ok, so that was 2 Q's after all.

Just so much to learn!

The thing is that birds become fairly resistant to the disease by around 5 months old, so if you simply don't mix your chicks and adults before then, you will probably be OK. There are exceptions- silkies being the most notable one- they are particularly susceptible. I have an article I wrote on the finer points of vaccination on my website if you're interested. www.swpoultry.com You do have to request vaccination from a hatchery. When I first got Marek's on my place, from a bird I bought from Louisiana, I lost about 15% of my flock- mostly silkies. Then I vaccinated all my chicks and then all the birds- youngest to oldest. Now I vaccinate chicks in batches as I said. My double tufted araucanas are quite susceptible to Marek's and I pay dearly when I get lazy and don't vaccinate a small batch. Of course, the much less valuable clean-faced araucanas are much less susceptible. Figures.

 

[broodytood]

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One more question and I have to get some sleep. I appreciate your knowledge though!
Can vaccinated birds give it to ones that have not been? Are all hatchery birds vaccinated or do you have to ask upon purchase? Ok, so that was 2 Q's after all.

Just so much to learn!

The thing is that birds become fairly resistant to the disease by around 5 months old, so if you simply don't mix your chicks and adults before then, you will probably be OK. There are exceptions- silkies being the most notable one- they are particularly susceptible. I have an article I wrote on the finer points of vaccination on my website if you're interested. www.swpoultry.com You do have to request vaccination from a hatchery. When I first got Marek's on my place, from a bird I bought from Louisiana, I lost about 15% of my flock- mostly silkies. Then I vaccinated all my chicks and then all the birds- youngest to oldest. Now I vaccinate chicks in batches as I said. My double tufted araucanas are quite susceptible to Marek's and I pay dearly when I get lazy and don't vaccinate a small batch. Of course, the much less valuable clean-faced araucanas are much less susceptible. Figures.

That helps answer my Q's and then some! Thanks!

 

[jbear]

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The thing is that birds become fairly resistant to the disease by around 5 months old, so if you simply don't mix your chicks and adults before then, you will probably be OK. There are exceptions- silkies being the most notable one- they are particularly susceptible. I have an article I wrote on the finer points of vaccination on my website if you're interested. www.swpoultry.com You do have to request vaccination from a hatchery. When I first got Marek's on my place, from a bird I bought from Louisiana, I lost about 15% of my flock- mostly silkies. Then I vaccinated all my chicks and then all the birds- youngest to oldest. Now I vaccinate chicks in batches as I said. My double tufted araucanas are quite susceptible to Marek's and I pay dearly when I get lazy and don't vaccinate a small batch. Of course, the much less valuable clean-faced araucanas are much less susceptible. Figures.

That helps answer my Q's and then some! Thanks!

the article is very informative too..

if you haven't already, ya gotta read it.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

TouchO'Lass :

ChickieLady: I agree. It is a LARGE collection of animals, and I rarely see anyone there. I think her adult daughter stays for at least a couple weeks a year, but why have all those animals and only visit 'em now and then? I really hate to judge, but she's just the type to point fingers and blame everyone but herself for the mis-treatment of her animals.

Unfortunately, the area where I live is becoming very popular with (sorry guys!) "Coasties" because land is so much cheaper than west of the cascades, we have a beautiful river and lots of un-trafficked roads, so there are a lot of folks from the Seattle area buying summer places over here. I lived in Kingston/Indianola/Poulsbo for a couple years and apparently the same thing happened there. DH worked on one remodel right on the slew/slough (sp?) in Kingston that had a flat screen TV in 6 rooms, including the laundry. The owners paid almost a mil then did over 200 thou in remodel to live on that stinky piece of water just walking distance from the ferry...

Hallerlake: The Dep Sheriff said there was a 'shoot on sight' order on the coyotes/strays, and Fish & Wildlife has gotten involved, so I'm hoping the culprits will be dispatched soon. Unfortunately, where the lawyer's property sits, she has neighbors very close to the south, east, and west, and only a little ways to the north and it's surrounded by trees so a misplaced shot could do collateral damage.

My property, on the other hand, has only orchard to the north and east, bare land to the south and about a 50 ft mountain rise to the west, so someone shooting across my place (almost NO trees) would only have to miss my cabin and horses. I'm actually hoping to see the 'yotes here again, cuz I'd have NO problem taking them out. Once an animal has slaughtered like that, there's not a lot of hope for rehab.

At the very least, I'm going to try to borrow or rent a live trap because they've also started scoping out my chicken run. I know I've seen the yellow one skulking away before, but I thought it belonged to one of the orchard workers...

Stumpfarmer: I wondered about that and thought maybe the llama got his injuries trying to protect the goats..? They pretty much wiped out the sheep in their earlier attacks, so the goats were the next easiest prey and are in with the llama, but I think they're separate from the sheep. I may just go get a picture of the "pasture" all those animals share and post it, but it's a little depressing...

Meantime, my little JD's Loki and Chance are gonna have to learn
to poop on a leash...

While these two run free
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OMG...I am so glad you got photos...they look remarkably like your dogs - from a distance. Keep your dogs in close contact. People are going to be a bit gun happy for awhile. Don't blame them. We have had to shoot many dogs over the years, who have come onto our property and have attacked, maimed, injured, harrassed, etc. Why can't people take care of their dogs? I would like to shoot the owners, but unfortunately, that is illegal. I doubt those dogs are coyote crosses. They are probably dogs that are just allowed to run or have been dumped. If they are not eating the kills (from what you said)...sounds lilke they are killing for fun. Hence, I would think dogs allowed to run.​

 

[ByN8ureHomstead]

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I really wish I was closer, I'd come help. I don't like dead beat people.