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[VelvettFog]

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Thanks CL !!

I'm going with an 8' high run - only so I don't have to cut the lumber. I'm not sure if I'll use a hot wire or something barbed like you did as a climbing deterrent. But I will for sure put down an apron

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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Thanks CL !!

I'm going with an 8' high run - only so I don't have to cut the lumber. I'm not sure if I'll use a hot wire or something barbed like you did as a climbing deterrent. But I will for sure put down an apron

I'm going to have to go with hotwires on the cow side of my runs: they dig up anything that's got grass growing on it, and then there's the chance of the wire rusting and being consumed. Cows, and especially calves, seak out and consume plastic, so I can't take the route of using buried vinyl, either.

Not that I can do anything without help. Oh, well.

 

[Chickielady]

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Thanks CL !!

I'm going with an 8' high run - only so I don't have to cut the lumber. I'm not sure if I'll use a hot wire or something barbed like you did as a climbing deterrent. But I will for sure put down an apron

So 2 rows of 4 ' wire ?

With the apron, we sat in a lawnchair & cut the roll is 3 or 4 strips...leave a sharp end sticking out, do not clip the wire clean to the next "box" so then you can wrap that "end" around the foot of your fence, and saves you having to J clip it to the foot of the fence.

StumpFarmer: you do have to use a hot wire...will the cattle actually push over that perimeter fence you have around your garden?
Well, I gotta go get my painting done....later guys!

 

[Mia_]

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LOL Please reboot and try again. We really want to see summer...even if it is from inside our heated car's windows.

HEY Who is this stranger popping in here ????

*waves timidly* Hi! I am new here.

 

[VelvettFog]

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HEY Who is this stranger popping in here ????

*waves timidly* Hi! I am new here.

CR's bark is way way worse than his bite We are all happy to have you

 

[Kaneke]

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Do you have a picture of this contraption? I want to make a big 5 gallon or 10 gallon one to feed my forever hungry quacks. 17 in all.
Eating me out of house & home. LOL
Like the teenagers that they are.

DH can take a picture, but so far hasn't been repeatedly successful getting the pic into his computer

let me describe:

go to thrift store or garage sale, get a circular (or other shape) tray with a lip or raised edge on it, at least three inches wider on each side, than the bucket you are going to use

bucket can be your standard work type 5 gallon plastic bucket with lid
or the smaller (approx) 3-gallon bucket that Costco (and other places) sell granular dishwasher detergent in (it also has a lid)

drill or cut oval holes in several places around the bucket edge at or near the bottom, so the feed comes through smoothly but not fast

(oval or rectangular holes, so the birds can get their beaks in to pull feed out when the level gets low)

bore a hole in the center of the tray, bore a hole in the center of the bottom of the bucket (about the size of the bolt I mention next)

get a bolt 2 to 4 inches long, four wide washers, and a tube or spacer about half an inch shorter than the bolt

and a nut to fit the bolt

once you have all those, take the bolt, head end down, put a washer on it, and push it up through the hole in the tray
put another washer on the bolt, add the spacer, then another washer, then push the whole thing up through the hole in the bucket
add the last washer, install the nut, and tighten it down

then hang the whole contraption by the bucket's bail -- I used wide rubber tie down type bungee straps, so they could bump it to get the feed flowing

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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Thanks CL !!

I'm going with an 8' high run - only so I don't have to cut the lumber. I'm not sure if I'll use a hot wire or something barbed like you did as a climbing deterrent. But I will for sure put down an apron

So 2 rows of 4 ' wire ?

With the apron, we sat in a lawnchair & cut the roll is 3 or 4 strips...leave a sharp end sticking out, do not clip the wire clean to the next "box" so then you can wrap that "end" around the foot of your fence, and saves you having to J clip it to the foot of the fence.

StumpFarmer: you do have to use a hot wire...will the cattle actually push over that perimeter fence you have around your garden?
Well, I gotta go get my painting done....later guys!

They have pushed over/smashed all the pasture fence, barbed wire topper or not- which is why I'm slowly (at the rate I can pay cash and not credit) adding livestock panels to the entire perimeter. They still knock anything up against the base of that to heck and pull tall grass out and undercut the posts, so I need a low hotwire to keep the bottom from being dug up. I might be able to get away with an apron + scrap wood + soil anchors except I either need to figure out where my two dozen soil anchors went (I suspect my BIL ran off with them when he was building pig runs) or find a way to cut the tangled-up mess of rebar that I already have. People who complain about soils developed on glacial till need to come try to make a secure fence in sand, especially with the kind of slopes I've got. I gave up on keeping everything stretched: it either pulls to the inside corner or the posts that are as little as six inches down-slope end up popping out of the ground after a heavy rain.

Not to mention the kind of mess that watering troughs make- and they're never good, unless you've got a 40X40 driveway quality slab under them. I went up to check to be sure the upper trough was turned off (we're trying to trap the bull and two cows in the orchard so the leased bull can go to a new home and two barren cows can be transformed into a new form but the pasture's so lush they aren't hanging out for water) and the trough at my cousin's has basically sunk into the ground. Cows walk away with mud on their feet and sooner or later you end up with the fence undercut.

*sigh*

What is it, "something there is that doesn't love a wall?"

 

[hallerlake]

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*waves timidly* Hi! I am new here.

CR's bark is way way worse than his bite We are all happy to have you

I thought he was referring to Blueducklings who hasn't been on in a while, but Mia is very welcome here.

 

[hallerlake]

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So 2 rows of 4 ' wire ?

With the apron, we sat in a lawnchair & cut the roll is 3 or 4 strips...leave a sharp end sticking out, do not clip the wire clean to the next "box" so then you can wrap that "end" around the foot of your fence, and saves you having to J clip it to the foot of the fence.

StumpFarmer: you do have to use a hot wire...will the cattle actually push over that perimeter fence you have around your garden?
Well, I gotta go get my painting done....later guys!

They have pushed over/smashed all the pasture fence, barbed wire topper or not- which is why I'm slowly (at the rate I can pay cash and not credit) adding livestock panels to the entire perimeter. They still knock anything up against the base of that to heck and pull tall grass out and undercut the posts, so I need a low hotwire to keep the bottom from being dug up. I might be able to get away with an apron + scrap wood + soil anchors except I either need to figure out where my two dozen soil anchors went (I suspect my BIL ran off with them when he was building pig runs) or find a way to cut the tangled-up mess of rebar that I already have. People who complain about soils developed on glacial till need to come try to make a secure fence in sand, especially with the kind of slopes I've got. I gave up on keeping everything stretched: it either pulls to the inside corner or the posts that are as little as six inches down-slope end up popping out of the ground after a heavy rain.

Not to mention the kind of mess that watering troughs make- and they're never good, unless you've got a 40X40 driveway quality slab under them. I went up to check to be sure the upper trough was turned off (we're trying to trap the bull and two cows in the orchard so the leased bull can go to a new home and two barren cows can be transformed into a new form but the pasture's so lush they aren't hanging out for water) and the trough at my cousin's has basically sunk into the ground. Cows walk away with mud on their feet and sooner or later you end up with the fence undercut.

*sigh*

What is it, "something there is that doesn't love a wall?"

64. Mending Wall

SOMETHING there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing: 5
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made, 10
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go. 15
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"
We wear our fingers rough with handling them. 20
Oh, just another kind of outdoor game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
He is all pine and I am apple-orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. 25
He only says, "Good fences make good neighbors."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. 30
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down!" I could say "Elves" to him, 35
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there,
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me, 40
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."

 

[blueducklings]

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LOL Please reboot and try again. We really want to see summer...even if it is from inside our heated car's windows.

HEY Who is this stranger popping in here ????

Who me?

Guess I got caught sneeking in ......even though I changed my duckie picture and everything...mannn you are good.