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Actually, one of the biggest over-breeders of Labs and Goldens is Guide Dogs for the blind; get long-time puppy raisers together and in an unbuttoned frame of mind and all of them can tell horror stories about pups which are untrainable for some reason, including rage- not to mention congenital skeletal problems that make it impossible for some of them (and not a small "some") to wear a guide harness.

And the most agressive and bite-prone dogs I've been around have been Chesepeake Bay Retrievers (two of them, unrelated, from different breeders), a breed which is neither overbred nor one with any artificial popularity. Well, except for a nighmarish seven-pound rat terrier that Dad took in trade for a half-cord of wood once, who killed every cat in the neighborhood and a six month old Suffolk lamb before Dad could catch him and send him to his logical consequences.

Interesting... I've only known one Chesepeake Bay Retriever and he was never aggressive nor did he ever bite.
I like my granddaughters new little pug puppy. He's a cutey pie.

The other Chessies that the Chesepeake-loving cousin kept were all great dogs, although short-lived compared to other hunting dogs; it's just when you have a human-agressive Chesepeake you have a whole lot of bad dog on your hands.
 
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Nope, that's it.

I think I'm going to attempt to figure out the appropriate dimensions for the coop I want - not like I consider myself a coop architect, but it shouldn't be that hard, right?. I had Industrial Arts class uhh...about 25 years ago.
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This is a basic coop. Dimensions could be altered if it's too small. http://poultry.purinamills.com/NUTRITIONMANAGEMENT/HenHouseHutchDesign/default.aspx

Hallerlake, this is a great little coop. Looks easy to build and, more importantly, easy to clean!
P.S. My little Dottie from you is doing so well! Just love her! Thanks again!
 
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Nope, that's it.

I think I'm going to attempt to figure out the appropriate dimensions for the coop I want - not like I consider myself a coop architect, but it shouldn't be that hard, right?. I had Industrial Arts class uhh...about 25 years ago.
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This is a basic coop. Dimensions could be altered if it's too small. http://poultry.purinamills.com/NUTRITIONMANAGEMENT/HenHouseHutchDesign/default.aspx

Interesting, thanks for posting. I'll have to check it out more tomorrow. It's the "tapered" part that bothers me; I'm not sure how to do that.
 
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I haven't called yet... forgot today!
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I'll let you know how it goes. I'm not sure when we'll get there, our schedule is still TBD. Thanks for the info.!

So are you "planning " to camp(?) at the fair grounds??
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Yep... if you can call a 30' trailer "camping"
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Hopefully there are still some spots available.
 
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Chickielady - I agree about dogs not being emotionally mature until 2 years (or later). Heck, my Pointer is almost 12 and he still behaves like a puppy most of the time.

But, breeding them???? I have to disagree. That would just be contributing to the problem we've been talking about! With what's been said about their temperaments (and the male not meeting the breed standard for size), I'd say they absolutely DO NOT need to bred. Why pass on their genes? "To get your investment back"? I'm sorry, but that's just irresponsible and the reason why we have so many problems in our purebred dogs--would-be "breeders" trying to make a quick buck.

There are so many unwanted dogs out there; our purebred dogs are riddled with health and temperament problems, and still, uneducated or greedy people breeding more, hoping to make a quick buck, regardless of whether or not the animals are the best representation of their breed. I'm not trying to be offensive--really, I'm not, this is just something that I really care about and it just really irks me when people think "hey, I have a male and a female dog/horse/cat/whatever, I should breed them!"

Ok, rant over.
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None of these 2 dogs breeding is relevant to their size nor temperment at this young age.
Number one, the male has had parvo and is small for his age, which is NOT genetic.
Number two, the "knothead' female may be exquisite at maturity, and on top of that, try finding one of these gorgeous dogs at a shelter.
This is not so much trash here.
These are not on the list of "unwanted dogs"
I have seen no issue of "temperment" problems with Illia's Mastiffs.
She fed them raw meat, the female bit her trying to get the meat in her hand..................THAT is a human fault, not the dog's fault, and certainly not a genetic problem.
 
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We were thinking of that, but changed our mind to just getting rid of them now.

We've had plenty of experience with a lot of large breed dogs, bully and mastiff types especially, and, none were so disappointing as these, the female especially. Turns out the other breeder we were talking to, his problem dogs also came from the same lines as ours, but still, it is not worth it to risk and pay for ANOTHER to replace her. Plus, so far, the male can't properly breed. . .

Yes, large breeds take a while to mature, but we know what to expect at what age.

Why can't he breed?
He is still a puppy too....is he that small?
 
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I have to say the worst bites for me (from dogs) have come from Pom's and Chihuahuas! as silly as they sound i take the lil devils pretty seriously.
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Nothing to restrain on 'em!!

I am afraid of most dogs anyhow, so I am not one to talk about being scaredy of which kind... But, Illia, If I had ever seen YOUR big ol' dogs come through the door at work--I would probably just pass out.
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It's why I only do CATS! lol!
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Did Quincy bother ya when we met at Chehalis? If so I will try to make a point to have dw not bring him around you at Stevenson.

You mean your dog?
He has always been in the truck when I see ya, except one time when he was rat hunting under your shop...he seems to prefer to be with his own, almost timid.
But a good dog I guess.
he sure did not like the mechanical chihuahua I gave ya
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Well it would be a little un-PG to say, and sorry, he's not too young to breed
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He just can't finish/do the job. He's 10 months old, not gonna get much if at all bigger, and not a baby.
 
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Oh, that can be seen in a pup this young?
Well, sorry to hear that, I really had higher hopes for you...that is too bad.
So what do you do with these expensive puppies now?
 
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