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[Chickielady]

Found this about Baytril, in commercial poultry industries, a good reason to raise & eat your own.
But no mention of sterility.

http://www.mindfully.org/Farm/2005/Baytril-Antibiotic-Banned29jul05.htm

 

[Chickielady]

Interesting talk on antibiotics for birds, saying it is Tylan that can cause infertility (see 'Carr's post several down)

http://backyardchickens.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=206&start=10

Wow, need to study this issue more!
I have used Tylan and have very fertile birds!!

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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These 2 birds have no relation at all, so I doubt it's heredity...I'm curious if it's a dosage thing...how many mg/kg do you use?

I generally give 22mg once daily to a 1 kg bantam for 5 days. Again, I think it is highly unlikely that the Baytril has anything at all to do with their loss of fertility. There are simply far too many of us with years of experience and hundreds of birds to say it isn't true. The corollary would be for you to say: "I know cigarettes don't hurt you because my grandma and grandpa both smoked 3 packs a day and died when they were in their 90's." Your sample size of 2 is too small to be valid.

Well, it's awfully valid to me...

And with the cigarette analogy, yeah some people do smoke their whole life & live to die of old ag, we know that to be true though not the "norm"...but you wouldn't call that person a liar, so then why is it that the Baytril CAN'T be the cause of my problem? Both birds had aspiration pneumonia, I WATCHED them aspirate, I KNOW that was the issue, and that it wasn't something else, both birds were fertile before the incident. The ONLY other factor was the Baytril...I just don't see how you can say that's not the culprit, all things considered...

 

[cmsdvm]

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I generally give 22mg once daily to a 1 kg bantam for 5 days. Again, I think it is highly unlikely that the Baytril has anything at all to do with their loss of fertility. There are simply far too many of us with years of experience and hundreds of birds to say it isn't true. The corollary would be for you to say: "I know cigarettes don't hurt you because my grandma and grandpa both smoked 3 packs a day and died when they were in their 90's." Your sample size of 2 is too small to be valid.

Well, it's awfully valid to me...

And with the cigarette analogy, yeah some people do smoke their whole life & live to die of old ag, we know that to be true though not the "norm"...but you wouldn't call that person a liar, so then why is it that the Baytril CAN'T be the cause of my problem? Both birds had aspiration pneumonia, I WATCHED them aspirate, I KNOW that was the issue, and that it wasn't something else, both birds were fertile before the incident. The ONLY other factor was the Baytril...I just don't see how you can say that's not the culprit, all things considered...

Believe what you want then. I don't have any stock in Bayer- just 8 years of school and 24 years of practice.

 

[AriLovesChickens]

People have rare adverse reactions to drugs...why couldn't chickens?

 

[cmsdvm]

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A valid point. Quite different, however, from saying, "Baytril causes sterility in chickens." A blanket statement that is provably false in at least the vast majority of cases.

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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Thank you. There are certain breeds of dogs that have issues with certain classes of drugs too, so maybe it's just Faverolles, who knows...

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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A valid point. Quite different, however, from saying, "Baytril causes sterility in chickens." A blanket statement that is provably false in at least the vast majority of cases.

And that's my bad, I shouldn't have laid it out as a blanket statement, but rather as something that happened to me...

 

[Rainwolf]

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Yeah, it finally cleared up an hour or so ago. Where are you? UW?

SCCA(Seattle Cancer Care Alliance)

my mom went to SCCA , she is now in remission! great place!

 

[Rainwolf]

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WOW that looks like some ancient wiring, I would not use it.
It is not that expensive to buy a roll of house wire & string it in there.

Ya know you could do what I do in the house.... I run all the wire from point a-b-c then get everything cleaned up... hire a electrician to attach the wires to breaker box and check my wiring for any possible issues... takes them less then a hr and normally runs about $100 or so (depends on who you hire)
I do everything BUT the breaker box and it is not that hard.
*I refuse to do breaker box connections due to 2 things... I'm not 100% absolutely positive I can do it right and I never *play* with things that can kill me.