Waste of treats? Ideas on what went wrong, and what to do now?

Hello, I also live in a remote area. I feel your P&P woes. I haven't baked a bird loaf using driend treats before so I don't know if it would work, but I think there is no harm in you trying. You can report back to us if it is appreciated by your parrots or not.
Parrots cant eat it- too high in protein and would cause organ issues. But the chickens really liked it! I basically made a zucchini bread with pumpkin mash and through the treats in there. Still- I never got them to eat the stupid expensive bagged treats.
 
Parrots cant eat it- too high in protein and would cause organ issues. But the chickens really liked it! I basically made a zucchini bread with pumpkin mash and through the treats in there. Still- I never got them to eat the stupid expensive bagged treats.
Ah I'm sorry I misread your first post. I thought you were going to try to feed the chicken treats to the parrots. It's a shame that your birds didn't want the treats. Could you try offering the "stupid expensive bagged treats" to wild birds? Maybe there's a very good reason your birds didn't want the bagged treats. Perhaps the dried insects taste horrible to the birds. An expensive lesson learned I guess.
 
It’s a slippery slope you’re on.
We mixed mealworms with our ladies feed for a long time, after a while they started picking out the worms and leaving the feed. Gave them feed with some scratch mixed in and they started digging through it to find worms, none in there, and walked away. Giving them a couple days to start eating the regular feed, and a pumpkin or 2.
Ladies got spoiled quick
 
Mix with yogurt?
Chickens (contrary to popular belief) don’t produce lactase, the enzyme needed to break down lactose. While a bit of yogurt likely won’t kill them, dairy can cause digestive upset, and nutrient absorption issues if given regularly. I know this is contrary to what is on the internet and touted by chicken keepers- at first I thought 'sure, okay- no birds can have milk products- I learned it in school for 8 years, but I guess chickens are different, but i doubt it' ... I went back in my textbooks, and consulted a specialty nutritionist who works exclusively with poultry from way back in uni, and they assured me I am correct- and told me it started on a goat farm with a small flock back in the 1970's when people started to understand that probiotics were good for humans. So no yogurt for my birds. Although they do like it!

And to the person who said maybe they are made in china- nope, not according to the label. They just wont touch anything, not even the grain mixes with insects. So I just threw it on the ground and let it sprout and the bugs got devoured by the hermit crabs. The chickens ate what sprouted.
 
Chickens (contrary to popular belief) don’t produce lactase, the enzyme needed to break down lactose. While a bit of yogurt likely won’t kill them, dairy can cause digestive upset, and nutrient absorption issues if given regularly. I know this is contrary to what is on the internet and touted by chicken keepers- at first I thought 'sure, okay- no birds can have milk products- I learned it in school for 8 years, but I guess chickens are different, but i doubt it' ... I went back in my textbooks, and consulted a specialty nutritionist who works exclusively with poultry from way back in uni, and they assured me I am correct- and told me it started on a goat farm with a small flock back in the 1970's when people started to understand that probiotics were good for humans. So no yogurt for my birds. Although they do like it!

And to the person who said maybe they are made in china- nope, not according to the label. They just wont touch anything, not even the grain mixes with insects. So I just threw it on the ground and let it sprout and the bugs got devoured by the hermit crabs. The chickens ate what sprouted.
Oh thanks, this is interesting. I understood that the sugars or proteins in milk were changed in some way through the fermenting process of becoming yogurt, and that chickens could indeed utilize it, in much the same way the people who are lactose intolerant can tolerate it. Guess that's not true? 🤷🏽‍♀️ Don't suppose you can cite your nutritionist? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be helpful in the way of mythbusting.
 
Oh thanks, this is interesting. I understood that the sugars or proteins in milk were changed in some way through the fermenting process of becoming yogurt, and that chickens could indeed utilize it, in much the same way the people who are lactose intolerant can tolerate it. Guess that's not true? 🤷🏽‍♀️ Don't suppose you can cite your nutritionist? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be helpful in the way of mythbusting.
Oh, I wouldn’t be able to—this was months ago, and she only sent me a private link and a few text messages. I could reach out to her again, but there’s plenty of research online. The key point she made was that most studies focus on broiler chickens, not backyard layers or heritage breeds. In broilers or transgenic chickens, very small amounts of dairy seemed okay short-term and even enhanced some of the biome- but that is because the 'barrier growth was enormous', but in backyard chickens, there were noted long-term consequences—especially with routine feeding. She compared it to a pregnant woman having an occasional glass of wine: timing and moderation matter, but it’s definitely not something to make a habit of.

She also pointed out that the type of yogurt matters—she called a good amount of it 'fermented and pasteurized milk crap' (she and I met in our animal nutrition courses so we are pretty critical, lol) many brands don’t even contain live probiotics, making the whole argument kind of moot. She briefly mentioned ambient temperature, too, noting that chickens in warm or moderate climates can sometimes process small amounts a bit better.

The fermentation process doesn’t remove all the lactose, nor does it make the remaining fully digestible to animals that lack lactase. Some people who are lactose intolerant can eat yogurt, but it depends on how sensitive they are and what kind of yogurt it is. I have numerous friends who cant go near yogurt of any kind and need to take their pill beforehand.
 
Did I see that they are only 2.5 months old? The chicks I raised myself didn’t really eat treat type stuff until much older than that. They didn’t eat veggies either!
I now have a batch raised by a broody hen and she has shown them what is good to eat and they have been eating treats from the start.
I think they are just suspicious of new things unless a trusted source tells them it is good to eat.
My grown girls love corn bread, zucchini bread, well let’s be honest, they love pretty much everything now!
 
Did I see that they are only 2.5 months old? The chicks I raised myself didn’t really eat treat type stuff until much older than that. They didn’t eat veggies either!
I now have a batch raised by a broody hen and she has shown them what is good to eat and they have been eating treats from the start.
I think they are just suspicious of new things unless a trusted source tells them it is good to eat.
My grown girls love corn bread, zucchini bread, well let’s be honest, they love pretty much everything now!
Oh, yeah back in may. Not sure how or when this thread came back up, I just noticed it on my news feed again. The youngest is 5 months old now, amazing egg layers. They eat just about everything- especially green veggies, fruit, winter squashes and spring greens, but not scratch grains or dried larvae.

I start all my chicks on a mixture of produce matter with grit (the soil we naturally have here which is a lot of naturally ground rocks we use as fill on this rock island), especially the stuff they will eat free ranging. I mean even my 2 week old chicks are chowing down on microgreens. haha
 

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