What are they? I need help figuring out the breed/mix!!!!! Helpppppp!!!

[RHRanch]

NEW PICS! So, here are my 5 black crested ducks from Ideal. What breed do we think they are?

 

[country_girl011]

the ones with white on the chest would be black sweedish.
and the all black ones woud be cayuga.

 

[Nsampsel]

Look like my Indian Runner.

 

[Kevin565]

Do they have Green on the head? Looks like Cayugas and possibly a Black Swedish

 

[RHRanch]

Thing is, I raised Swedish in the past, and these don't have the body type to be swedish, but I think they all might be mixed. I thought cayuga also, but one of the all black ones is very much runner in shape and stance..... I think i need to take more pics, this one is a bit blurry.

Also, are not Cayugas shiny green? These are pretty much matte black.

 

[country_girl011]

hatchery birds are very poor quality.
but not ususally mixed.

 

[RHRanch]

I posted new pics, from the side. Maybe they are crested cayugas or cayuga mixes.

 

[RHRanch]

hatchery birds are very poor quality.
but not ususally mixed.

I agree - when I got them I expected to have some hatchery stock layers, but did not expect mixes, I have never gotten mixed ducks from a hatchery before. So thats why I wanted you all's opinions.

Oh, also - based on the type of duck, medium size, when should I expect them to start laying? They are about 3 months old now.