I will try to get more pics....the 2 greys ALMOST strink me as dark brahman mixes, but they have the same shape as the 2 reds in the front of pic....I have a couple game hens that stay in the trees with the ponies and they are much smaller and much more fiesty/nasty and flighty than these 4, these prefer to do the roost in the shed and play nice with the other hens and roo...and they feel fat/heavy, but not as big as a true RIR. :-/ ???