What area's run the risk of Cocci?!

After watching previously healthy chicks struggle and then die a needless death, I now feed all my babies medicated feed. I live in a very humid/moist area and it just isn't worth the risk. It doesn't matter to me where the cocci lives initially. My untreated chicks died. My treated chicks have not. I am not willing to take the chance.

However, to each his own. They are your chicks. Do what you feel is best.

OP- enjoy your new babies!
 
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I see there is a difference of opinion when the exposure of Cocc actually takes place. I believe... the mother hens contaminate their nest with their dirty feet and the Cocc is transfered onto the eggs even though the egg appears clean. Thus it is my opinion the newly hatched chicks are exposed to Cocc by making contact to the outside shell of their own egg and those around them.

Cocc doesn't show up immediately. It takes time for it to multiply enough to be found by a fecal test. I too am nervous about not feeding medicated food to my chicks as it has been pointed out.. Cocc isn't a virus... it is a protozoa.

OH and by the way.. Cocc is/can be transfered by flies

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It almost sounds like Ecoli.. Well I will be serving medicated feed until 8 weeks. Maybe when I am more experienced in this area I can experiment with non medicated, but for now I will keep with medicated starter. I will also be vigilant about keeping their coop and run clean, not only to keep down on illness, but for the better of the entire backyard. TOMORROW IS THE DAY!!! I am headed to the feed store to get my supplies right now, although reading that heat light house fire has got me worried...

I don't think you can 100% keep everything safe and kosher, especially if you use anything besides wire for the brooder floor. I am going to attach this heat lamp like there is no tomorrow! The brooder will start in my room, but when the chickies are 3 weeks old they will be moved to a larger brooder just outside the house, heat lamp still intact. More likely then not, I will be waking up at 2 and 5am to check and make sure all is well. Nervous mother, ya know? LOL.

Also, welcome to BYC Renie'sPeeps. It is totally addictive, and the people are BAD influences! hahaha! I started out with just getting two chicks, now I will be getting 4-6. More to keep the morality rate in mind then anything. But
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everybody here was very helpful in getting MORE chickens (of course LOL) This place is so welcoming and kind in most responses, it is a fun place to surf! Plus, you learn a ton from experienced chicken owners, as well as newbies.

Oh and...

GETTING CHICKS TOMORROW!

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Hey SC, Do you remember way back when on the other board Wes in Tex said a sure fire way to slowly build up a indoor chicks' immunity to cocci was to add an outdoor chicken's poop to the chick's waterer?
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Hey SC, Do you remember way back when on the other board Wes in Tex said a sure fire way to slowly build up a indoor chicks' immunity to cocci was to add an outdoor chicken's poop to the chick's waterer?
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LOL. That would be one good way to do it alright. I'll stick with just the dirt though.
 
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If that is the case, neither I nor most urban backyard chicken farmers should ever have to worry about coccidiosis. I have only purchased day old chicks from a hatchery (which I am assuming have never had exposure to any poop other than their own pure stuff) and I have never had any other chickens on my property. Since coccidiosis is species specific, my birds aren't going to get it from other wildlife, including other birds, on my property, and I think the possibility of a visitor tracking in chicken poop from another location is extremely remote. I suspect that my situation is the same for many people on this board, if not the majority. Why then is the first attempt to diagnose the cause of diarrhea on this board almost always coccidiosis? Why also would you bother medicating new born chicks against it, especially if they are only going to be released onto ground previously, or currently, inhabited by other "pure" chickens?

I am not suggesting you are wrong, but if you are right, coccidiosis is the most over-discussed and over-worried-about chicken disease there ever was among owners of backyard flocks.

Thanks for your information. I think you are probably right. My previously posted opinion is based on other things I have read--possibly misinterpreted--so I am going to research this further and add it to my limited chicken knowledge.

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A parasite that is species specific means specific to birds (waterfowl, guineas, chickens), canine (dog, wolf, coyote), rodent (mouse, rat), rumen animal(cow, sheep, goat) and so on. Even humans have a human strain of cocci which affects them! So chickens being a bird can get it from other birds because birds are a species classification, but not all strains of cocci will affect each individual type of animal within a species classification the same. Strain A may affect all, while strain B may affect only affect one type. Human forms can be picked up and shared among other humans and primates. So since there are cocci types for birds, your chickens can get it from turkies, wild birds, and so on, however, you dog cannot get the cocci chickens have from eating chicken poop and vice versa. However, just because it is species specific, does not mean it cannot travel in a non host species, it just means that it cannot complete it's life cycle (replicate) in other hosts. So a dog can carry chicken type of coccidiosis, but it cannot replicate, however can be spread through it's feces into new soil, from which a host species must consume it for it to replicate. Does that make sense?

Why then is the first attempt to diagnose the cause of diarrhea on this board almost always coccidiosis?

Well, because it is so common and:
coccidiosis is the most over-discussed and over-worried-about chicken disease there ever was among owners of backyard flocks.

It is so common that it is often what is afflicting birds. Unlike other parasites like worms, mites, and lice, which can also be carried in by wild animals, with lice being species specific(birds to birds, mammals to mammals), they often have a longer life cycle and the effects on birds are often so minimal people don't notice till it is really bad. Lice and worms can kill a chicken, but it often takes weeks and a really bad infestation, while cocci can kill in days because the life cycle is very fast.

A potential reason that cocci is a "bigger deal" in many urban chicken homes is because 1) Feeds are now available without the meds which was "normal" at one point for all feeds to have it. 2) Chicks are often brooded inside without early exposure thus making them more prone. 3) People tend to panic over normal things like the first pile of cecal poo from their chicks thinking they are sick, and when posting that their chick has a "brown runny poop" , people tend to panic and expect the worst.

Furthermore, this is a very diverse board with first time raisers, and long time raisers; people who do it the "old way" and people who do it "the new way"; people who have backgrounds in many fields, it is easy to pick up info from many sources and have it spread and interpreted differently here and there. From a bioengineering/cell and molecular biology background, I can run across articles on the subject and be able to make heads and tails of what is trying to be said, if I were to pick up a physics journal, I'd be totally lost and more apt to picking up hear say.

So we are all here to learn together and often it is up to the end user to take information and advice on an open board to their own discretion.


To me, cocci is just one of those things to deal with and know it exists. If you know it exists, just be prepared and it doesn't have to be devastating.

People fuss over not feeding this and that to their birds, but mine go though the scrap pile, compost bins, full of "do not feed" items like potato peels, tomato plants and so on.

Plus, it's that season for cocci scares. Every year topics like bad chick shipments, when can they go outside, cocci/sick chicks, is this a rooster, when will my hens lay, are they too cold, is this frost bite repeats again and again.​
 

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